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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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To: ApesForEvolution

I believe in personal responsibility.
If a woman decides that abortion is the best choice available to her at a certain point in time, I believe it is up to her to make that decision and live with the consequences. It is between her, her aborted foetus, and God. It is no one elses duty or responsibility. She will face the ramifications of her decision both here on earth and in the afterlife. Of course I also believe that she needs education so that she can make the best decision for herself, whether it be adoption, raising the child, or aborting the foetus.


501 posted on 11/13/2004 11:32:45 AM PST by Clorinox
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To: JeffAtlanta
I agree, but the votes simply aren't there. Not even close.

And if that amendment were debated, many arguments that "this isn't far enough" would come out.
And it would be defeated soundly.
502 posted on 11/13/2004 11:33:38 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: cpforlife.org

I trust George W. Bush and Karl Rove; if Specter stays on as chairman, it will be because THEY are satisfied he's working for them.

I can live with that.


503 posted on 11/13/2004 11:34:00 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: ScholarWarrior
"We're trying to understand what it is the people who are threatening to leave the Republican Party regarding "abortion" actually want."

For the record, I registered R this summer, for this election, for the 1st time in a LONG time...it'll be short lived it appears.
504 posted on 11/13/2004 11:34:17 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: cpforlife.org
GOP MESSAGE TO THE UNAPPEASEABLES.

GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR SECOND CHOICE FOR PRESIDENT!

505 posted on 11/13/2004 11:34:45 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: AndyJackson

You can have a problem with whatever you want.


506 posted on 11/13/2004 11:34:50 AM PST by AlbionGirl (+Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccata mundi.+)
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To: sinkspur

So we should have sat on our hands after specter made his comments last week?

I don't think so.


507 posted on 11/13/2004 11:35:14 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: tpaine

Dear tpaine,

Your response is irrelevant and off-point.

Try again.


sitetest


508 posted on 11/13/2004 11:36:02 AM PST by sitetest (It is better to kill the unborn because they can't raise such a fuss.)
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To: Clorinox

You ARE wearing flame-proof undies...aren't you?


509 posted on 11/13/2004 11:36:28 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: kjvail
Pro-death tripe, each child added to a family increases the amount of love in the home.

Right. If you want older children raising younger siblings. I, however, must be flawed, as I only have 24 hours in each of my days and find it challenging enough to give each child the kind of personal time and attention he craves from me.

Your reasoning that limiting the number of children is the equivalent of aborting is specious.

510 posted on 11/13/2004 11:36:33 AM PST by pharmamom (Visualize Four More Years)
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To: cpforlife.org

I know you think you know everything and that your righteous indignation give you the right to make ultimatums. But let me tell you the majority of people in this country do not want abortion outlawed. Even President Bush NEVER promised that. So go ahead and ride your high horse, good luck to you, but you're doing the Republican Party more harm than good. If you believe the majority of the people believe this is the number one issue in America GO START YOUR OWN POLITICAL PARTY. Hey, maybe if you make that and the border problem your main priority, you might get somewhere, but until then, stop speaking for the Republican Party because you do not speak for me.


511 posted on 11/13/2004 11:37:09 AM PST by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
This one is more accurate:


512 posted on 11/13/2004 11:37:29 AM PST by cpforlife.org (The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org; american colleen; sinkspur; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; ...
1. Abortion

The Church teaches that, regarding a law permitting abortions, it is "never licit to obey it, or to take part in a propaganda campaign in favor of such a law, or to vote for it" (EV 73). Abortion is the intentional and direct killing of an innocent human being, and therefore it is a form of homicide.

The unborn child is always an innocent party, and no law may permit the taking of his life. Even when a child is conceived through rape or incest, the fault is not the child's, who should not suffer death for others' sins.

EV John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae (The Gospel of Life)

Voter's Guide for Serious Catholics

Catholic Ping - please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


513 posted on 11/13/2004 11:37:33 AM PST by NYer ("Blessed be He who by His love has given life to all." - final prayer of St. Charbel)
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To: sinkspur
"you guys are verging on disgusting."

No, sink, disgusting was *you* during the last month of the election, starting with the debates...WADR of course. I thought maybe you were working with Dan Rather or Burk-ett or something...
514 posted on 11/13/2004 11:37:51 AM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: ApesForEvolution
It's a free country.

At least until kyvail gets his/her Catholic monarchy.
515 posted on 11/13/2004 11:38:03 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Hildy
" If you believe the majority of the people believe this is the number one issue in America GO START YOUR OWN POLITICAL PARTY. Hey, maybe if you make that and the border problem your main priority"

Don't forget the homos!

516 posted on 11/13/2004 11:38:31 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Former Fetus
Um...

Respondents were also asked to volunteer “what was the main reason you voted for … for President?” as an open-ended question. His position on abortion: 6%

Your link defeated your own argument.

517 posted on 11/13/2004 11:38:46 AM PST by Howlin (I love the smell of mandate in the morning.)
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To: AlbionGirl

OK, I finally have to ask someone...what is "IIRC"?


518 posted on 11/13/2004 11:38:50 AM PST by pharmamom (Visualize Four More Years)
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To: Clorinox
"If abortion is the greatest evil the world has ever seen why aren't you supporting these islamic fundamentalists who are quite opposed to abortion?"

We probably do agree on some issues, however the Islamic religion, like all hereasies is incomplete and flawed.

If religious law is what you are after there are plenty of places you could study/live in which will give you a better idea of what a religious dictatorship looks like.

You don't understand the difference between a state religion and a religious state. That's understandable, the history of Western civilization is not taught in American schools and its ignored by the American media. You would have to take college level courses in Midieval European history to even get part of the story.

You might get some of it in Catholic schools, but none in public schools. When was the last time you saw a documentary on Christedom on say the History channel or any other public venue? I'd guess never, I know I never have seen one. They talk about Rome (absent virtually any reference to Christianized Rome after the 4th Century) and about the so-called "enlightenment". They skip the entire period in between, why? Want a good example of this? There was recently a mini-series produced called "Attila". In real life Attila harassed the Eastern Roman empire for years. When he finally turned on the West only one thing saved Rome from being sacked - Pope Leo I. I watched that whole mini-series, there was not one Christian potrayed in all of Rome or Constantinople even tho it was the dominant religion and part of every day life at that time. In the movie Attila was assinated by a Roman agent (a woman) before he attacked Rome. It was an utter fabrication. Now you can argue one shouldn't get his history from movies and I would agree but how many people who watched it know what really happened? It was presented as factually accurate on "The History Channel" which more often plays documentaries than fiction. The omission of Leo I 's role in the course of events was in my mind deliberate.

519 posted on 11/13/2004 11:39:02 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: sinkspur

Hey Sinkspur! Glad to see you join the fray! Prepare to be frayed!


520 posted on 11/13/2004 11:39:17 AM PST by pharmamom (Visualize Four More Years)
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