Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org
You:"I think most merely take offense at the arguably childish "do it my way or I'll take my ball & go home" attitude expressed in the article this thread is based on."
Nothing remotely childish about it.
It's a warning.
The Republican Party's heart has appeared to be in the right place, which is why a whole pro-life constituency has flocked to it.
The Republican Party has never before been in the position where it could seriously change the terms of Roe v. Wade since Roe v. Wade was issued, 31 years ago.
With this election, it is.
And on election day itself, up steps a powerful Republican who will be the gatekeeper of the judges and says that he'll be shooting down pro-life judges.
The reaction to that is inevitable and sharp: the pro-lifers think they might be betrayed. They think that maybe they've been led along like a pack of chumps for all these years, like the 89% of black voters who vote for the Democrats regardless of the fact that the Democrats control all the cities and all the education systems, and haven't changed a damned thing in favor of their core black constituency.
Pro-lifers are more organized than the Democratic black bloc. They have churches and charities that have worked ceaselessly to push back at Roe, and have been scoring successes. And the pro-life vote is absolutely crucial to the Republican Party.
What Specter did was the equivalent of the Senate Finance Committee Chairman saying that he was going to work to eliminate the Bush tax cuts and reinstate high taxes. Think something like that would anger the Republican base and provoke howls of derision?
Of course it would.
Specter put his foot in it, and declared his intentions.
And that has agitated millions of solid Republicans.
The pro-life voters are worried that the Republicans are going to welch on them, now that the Republicans have to power.
I don't think that the Republicans actually WILL welch on them. I think that Bush is pro-life and meant what he said about judicial nominees.
But the bottom line is that Specter fired a shot at the heart of the pro-life movement, and pro-lifers are doing the Republican Party a SERVICE by firing a shot across the party's bow and warning the party not to forget how committed pro-lifers are, and how important a constituency they are. If the pro-lifers are demoralized, they'll stay home. That will really happen. Specter was demoralizing, and he's no team player. Why spend political capital saving him from suffering the consequences of his own statements? Trent Lott was dumped as Senate Majority Leader for considerably less.
Gloat? You support retaining ABORTION ON DEMAND as the law of the land. You SUPPORT the judicial activism that found a 'penumbra' that justified wiping out EVERY law on the books regarding abortion. You can claim to believe in the principles of "limited government" but your own words make a liar of you.
If only both the dims and the reps would join together and get this non issue out of both party platforms. Then real issues could be dealt with.
"I've seen polls stated in this thread that Americans overwhelmingly support making abortion illegal, but if that were true why don't they vote that way?"
They have. Even in the Demoncrat party, pro-life folks like Reid of Nevada are winning. Sorry you are trapped in urban denial.
Wow, I'm a pejorative now. You gonna try to get me banned too, Narses?
You'll have to get a lot of other people banned too, if you want to enforce your ideological purity.
Then it applies to no one here. Although factually, more than one defender of Roe -v- Wade is here, blood dripping down their forearms.
I am not in favor of abortion, nor am I in favor of the death penalty.
My opinions however, have nothing to do with my statements on this argument or the Constitution.
We want, desire, need judges who are going to support the Constitution as it is written.
They or their opinions not withstanding, and frankly, I do not even want to know about them.
I want to know how they view the damn document and what they will use as a guide for decisions.
Well, first of all, this isn't a Keyes thread.
Secondly, I do believe that Keyes is more interested in raising money from people like you than he is in winning elections or saving babies. I may be wrong, and I hope I am, but that's not the impression I get from him.
I know Keyes' followers think it's awful when people don't admire and revere him, but I've tried really hard to stick to logic and civil debate, without resorting to name-calling and ad hominems. If I've failed, I sincerely apologize.
And spare me the "nuance" about how YOUR side is DIFFERENT, really...
Our military's purpose is the defense of innocent human life...specifically American lives.
What is the actual difference between a terrorist who kills innocent Americans and an abortionist?
I also liked discussing the RKBA, as I am a longtime supporter of the 2nd Amendment and a gun fancier.
Babes in the womb can't defend themselves.
That's your duty, sir.
"I'm just not prolife (as YOU define it)."
How do YOU define it then?
Please cite some data in support of your opinion.
"You gonna try to get me banned too, Narses?"
Like your paranoid misreading of the pro-life posts here on this thread, you read something not said into my posts. Your paranoia is showing.
There is no way a government should be involved in this.
"And you support judicial activism that YOU agree with, as well as tyhe wiping out of laws you find offensive."
Where do I do that? Show me. Or chalk up ANOTHER lie told by you about others you disagree with.
Yes, actually I do agree with that opinion.
That statement reflects current realities and continues to be correct today in a free and democratic Republic.
"We want, desire, need judges who are going to support the Constitution as it is written."
Did Roe - v- Wade do that, in your opinion?
He does that a lot.
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