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PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
A 2004 pro-life thread brought back to life | 11-13-04 | Vicomte13

Posted on 11/13/2004 6:05:41 AM PST by cpforlife.org

PRO-LIFE WARNING TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY

We believe that abortion is infanticide, and that a holocaust of infants is taking place. We do not believe that there is any other issue on Earth that compares with abortion in moral import. And therefore, there is no policy or combination of policies you Republicans can offer, including perfect tax policies, tort reform, and every other thing that is near and dear to Republican hearts, that matters a damn if abortion is overlooked and allowed to slide by.

We know that this issue has to be settled in the Supreme Court, nowhere else. And we know that the opportunity to put new justices on the court comes once in a decade, maybe, and that the current opportunity to alter the complexion of the court is not going to come again for a generation. Therefore, the real possibility exists that abortion can finally be seriously curtailed, soon, by the Supreme Court changing Roe v. Wade or eliminating it...IF, and ONLY IF, we can get pro-life judges on that court.

To do that, we have trusted the Republicans for years. We just came out and voted for you again this time, in unprecedented numbers, because we are not stupid and we know what is at stake. Not just evangelicals either. The religious CATHOLIC vote went Republican in 2004, and they didn't do it because of trade policy or even gay marriage. Their issue is abortion.

And the overriding issue is abortion.

So, if the Republicans allow Senator Specter to get the Chair of the Judiciary Committee and he blocks pro-life nominees, or if the Republicans do not use the nuclear option to override Democrat filibusters of pro-life nominees, THIS TIME there is no place for Republicans to hide. WE KNOW that you have the power, now, because WE just voted to give it to you. We understand that you can block Specter. And we understand the nuclear option.

And therefore, we most certainly will understand that if you allow the pro-life judges to be blocked, that it will be your political CHOICE to have done so. You CAN put pro-life judges on the bench, if you expend a lot of political capital. This will offend some people - a lot of people. And that is the price you HAVE to pay to get our votes next time. You have to be willing to bet the whole house to end infanticide.

If not, we will not vote for you. We won't go running to vote for the Democrats: they're pro-abortion. We won't go out and form a third party: we're not stupid and know that won't work. We'll just stay home, just like we did in 2000. Except that in 2000 it was out of frustration and neglect, and the lack of belief that anything will change. There was no organized campaign to keep the pro-life vote home in 2000.

This time, it's different. We understand the system, and we know that you have the power. And we demand that you use the power straight down the line to fill the high court and the appellate courts with judges who will protect the lives of babies. Period. This is not negotiable. At all. This is why we voted for you. You have nothing with which to bargain with us, and if you screw us, we will stay organized and we will stay home purposely to destroy the Republican party. Because if you do not protect the babies when you have the power to do it, you are no better than the Democrats...and worse, you will have lied to us.

This means, in effect, that all of those things YOU care most about: taxation, immigration, trade and business policy, deregulation - all of those core issues that come as an economic package, are held hostage to our issue: babies. If you will not protect the babies, we will stay home and let the Democrats destroy everything that YOU believe in.

This is called "Chicken". It is called a "Mexican Standoff". And since we are fired up by the certitude that we are doing God's work in defending babies, we cannot be bought, and you cannot win so much as an election for dog catcher in this country without us.

Therefore, the solution is simple and obvious: give us what we voted for you to do. Give us pro-life judges. Use all of your power to do it. Sweep Specter out of the way: is he worth losing all the rest of your agenda? - because we really will stay home and throw the country to the Democrats if you're no better than they are on abortion, just to punish YOU for having betrayed us. When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here. And with our votes, militantly mobilized because we are winning, alongside of yours, in 2006 and 2008 and beyond, even if the Senate is poisoned, you will be able to replace it with a more Republican one.

That there is even a debate going on as to what to do with Specter is alarming, but we have had our hearts broken before, so we'll sit and pray and trust President Bush and Senator Frist and the Republicans to do the right thing.

Screw us, though, and we will turn on you and your whole agenda will go down the drain with the blood of the babies you wouldn't put your power on the line to save.

The easy solution, the win-win solution, is to BE as pro-life as you campaigned as being. Just do it.

I apologize for the length of this post. But it needed to be said. The Republicans do not seem to get it. They need to understand that we are more committed to saving babies than we are to the fortunes of the Republican Party. That Specter is still in play demonstrates that too many of them do not take this seriously.

Rather than test us, what you guys should do is simply cave, now, and give us what we want. Do that, and you wont hear from us again - there will be no creeping theocracy in America - because this is about the only religious issue that Catholics and Orthodox and Evangelicals AGREE on.


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KEYWORDS: elections; gop; prolife
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

I have no interest in 'making allies' of people like you and your friends anymore. You've proven over and over again that you have no interest in such a thing anyway.

And if I wasn't here, you'd just turn your bile on someone else.


1,181 posted on 11/14/2004 1:29:19 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance; Texasforever

Right. Keep telling yourself that. You're never the problem, EV. < /sarcasm >

Was that "bile" you turned on Tex, by the way?

Sheesh.


1,182 posted on 11/14/2004 1:30:42 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet (Not now. I'm working the room.)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Typical.

He advocates for the killing of a babe in the womb, I call him on it, and you try to make me the bad guy.


1,183 posted on 11/14/2004 1:33:35 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Texasforever

Where do you get "would outlaw ALL abortions"?

The "health" reason is too broad, there is rarely a need to abort due to rape or incest. (Many rape victims choose to continue the life of their children and punish the rapist, instead)

This is not an "all or none." The 2nd Amendment, defence and tax cuts should all be protected, but Specter can not be counted on and should not be rewarded. Specter made it a single issue. He proved to us, again, that he can not be trusted to support the right to life any more than he can be trusted to vote according to US rather than Scottish law.


1,184 posted on 11/14/2004 1:33:35 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

Texasforever's post to narses was innapropriate and threatening.


1,185 posted on 11/14/2004 1:35:41 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
Are you kidding me? EV is threatened, but he's the one spewing vile, because he's supporting his pro-life position. Wow. You must have the dems play book.
1,186 posted on 11/14/2004 1:37:58 AM PST by lara
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To: Texasforever

You attacked narses because you were feeling bad?

Abortion except to save the life of the mother is simply the killing of one human being for the profit of another. It is wrong, just as all murder is wrong.


1,187 posted on 11/14/2004 1:38:53 AM PST by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet
When did I say they were my enemy? I just don't believe they're pro-life.
1,188 posted on 11/14/2004 1:40:44 AM PST by lara
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To: Texasforever

The baby is placed in a loving home. There are so many people out there waiting to adopt babies.


1,189 posted on 11/14/2004 1:43:16 AM PST by lara
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To: lara
The baby is placed in a loving home. There are so many people out there waiting to adopt babies.

Wow. Nice description of my half-sister almost 40 years ago.

I'm sure glad it was pre-Roe.

So are her three beautiful children...

1,190 posted on 11/14/2004 1:49:26 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

Thank you. You have no idea how much I appreciate people like you. People who aren't afraid to stand up for what they believe, even though they may be ridiculed by people of their own party. People being ridiculed for their beliefs. Hmmm. I've heard this somewhere before.


1,191 posted on 11/14/2004 1:52:27 AM PST by lara
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To: lara

Yeah...

Have a great night.


1,192 posted on 11/14/2004 1:55:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

You, too. Your nieces and nephews are lucky to have you for an uncle.


1,193 posted on 11/14/2004 2:07:53 AM PST by lara
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To: Howlin
Frankly, I'm sick of you all blackmailing us.

It isn't blackmail. It is reality.

Pro-life voters will not abandon a corrupt party out of spite or revenge. Morally, I can't cast a vote for a person who will support abortion in any way. Nor can I be a member of a political party who does so.

You just don't get it. It isn't about us being "one issue voters" or some euphemistic term like that. Abortion is not just an "issue". We're talking about the slaughter of millions of children not just the reform of some economic program or a new set of regulations. This is why you find that we can't negotiate on this or compromise. There is no compromise on this - the slaughter must be stopped.

We're not extremists. The extremists are those who support or who can sit idly by while millions of children are exterminated through this barbaric slaughter.

This is the elephant in the living room of the United States. We have mostly clean sidewalks, mostly safe schools, mostly healthy citizens, mostly peaceful elections, etc. On the surface, the U.S. is a pretty cool place. But, within the walls of the abortuaries a bloody slaughter is taking place and millions of children are being murdered. It's all buttoned up and "clean". All kinds of euphemisms are invented to make it sound like something benign or even beneficial. If you're for allowing a woman to pay a serial killer to kill her child, then you're not a monster - no, you're "pro-choice". If your party supports these barbaric serial killers politically and the serial killers donate their blood money to the party, then the party "supports a woman's right to choose."

It is all so ugly. Kind of like the ugliness you've demonstrated all day on this thread. I've never seen you more bitter than I have seen you in this thread today. Rationalizing evil tends to do that to a person.

I don't like HOW CPforLife said what he said. But there is truth to what he said whether you like it or not. People who actually believe in the culture of life and who don't just pay lip service to it will be disenfranchised if Bush doesn't follow through which his pro-life rhetoric. They will stay home out of frustration, not spite or revenge. They won't be angry and spiteful about it, just saddened that their are no candidates or even a party left that believes that the ongoing slaughter of innocents is wrong. Who do they have left to vote for and why?

Honestly, I want an answer from you, what SPECIFICALLY do you think President Bush and the GOP Platform means when they speak of a "culture of life"? What do you think that means legislatively in the Congress and administratively in the Executive Branch? Or was it just lip service to stroke the pro-life voters?

1,194 posted on 11/14/2004 3:16:40 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Texasforever
As I said, you and yours had better NEVER try to get between me and mine.

Sure, we would never get in the way of someone trying to murder your grandchildren. That would be a bad thing, right?

1,195 posted on 11/14/2004 3:40:21 AM PST by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: cpforlife.org
When the filibusters come, and they will come, use the nuclear option to override them. That will poison the Senate, yes. So what? We are talking about babies here.

Hear, hear!

Excellent piece. My only disagreement is with going third party. If the Republicans don't deliver, I'll go Constitution Party next time. If you want to know what's going to happen with SC appointments, watch what happens with Specter.

1,196 posted on 11/14/2004 3:52:11 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: pharmamom

I gave you the short version, if one does his or her research it becomes causation becomes plain.


1,197 posted on 11/14/2004 3:56:06 AM PST by kjvail (Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta)
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To: Skywalk
Shooting kids in the face and raping women and slitting their throats takes a far greater evil than aborting an embryo.

Watch the video, The Hard Truth, and tell me that abortion isn't comparable.

Or look at photos of the dead babies retrieved from the dumpsters behind abortion mills.

Do you have the guts? Or would you rather not know, like the citizens of Nazi Germany?

1,198 posted on 11/14/2004 4:11:08 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Texasforever
Really? What happens to the baby after 9 months?

The mother can keep it or give it up for adoption.

Your proposed alternative: murder it.

1,199 posted on 11/14/2004 4:17:28 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Hildy

"Only" 6% of 51% of the electorate is 3% of the electorate.
Bush won the election by 3%.
Had the pro-life vote not come out, Bush would have lost the election.

Look, the only reason everyone's in a panic is because of Arlen Specter. Everyone's ire should be focused at him.


1,200 posted on 11/14/2004 4:19:34 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Auta i Lome!)
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