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To: george wythe
The Catholic church is full of error. Although I personally would never rely on what the Pope says as being the Truth, since the papacy is a man made office, I am still surprised at the willingness to defend someone like Arafat.
48 posted on 11/11/2004 12:41:53 PM PST by jkl1122
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To: jkl1122
IT's not that it is just full of error the Roman Catholic Church's claim of the line of a sucession from St. Peter is false (I have listed the key source previously in this thread ) and the claim of the Pope's infalibility.

So to make it clear according to their own words and doctrines as to whether Clement of Romes words as one of the men in sucession to St. Peters throne read the following and decide for yourself.

Only in the year 1870, at the First Vatican Council, did Pope Pius IX succeed in turning this teaching into a dogma, in spite of the protest of many Catholics, who even preferred to leave this church and found their own community (of the Old Catholics) than to accept so absurd a dogma. By virtue of the definition of the Vatican Council, the pope is infallible when he, as the pastor and teacher of all Christians, defines or proclaims the truths of the faith "ex cathedra," that is, officially, as the head of the Church.

so in 1870 under pope pius IX this doctrine was pushed through and as Pastor and teacher as this man expresses the truth of the faith he is infallible -- and clement of rome was certainly expressing the truths of the faith as he saw them which are pretty ragged at best. Now if I were to stake my life on this man his infalibility would have to be better than a person who clearly does not even have command of the scripture he is quoting or preaching fables of pheonixs as being the truth.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

There is a written record for all who care to study it. There are writings and historical documents for all to inspect from the first three centuries and when we read them we get a picture of a people that generation by generation were losing their way. And that by the time of the cannon of scriptures the declaring of a pope and a central chuerch in rome -- we have a confession from catholic saint after catholic saint that they had lost the office of Apostle they had lost the office of prophet they had lost the gifts of the spirit and miracles that had once been common place were hardly known -- and a professional preisthood rich in traditions and teachings of men sought to fill that gap that the holy spirit had once heald in the church. In fundamentalist terms the church had backslidden they were lost and they could no longer find their way back to what Christ and the Apostles had taught.

If so then this man made pope would have restored the office of prophet and apostles and restored all the gifts and miracles -- people would have been healed by his shadow as peter, shreds of his cloaks would have healed like paul in the book of Acts. The authority of the pope is like the american dollar, it has no value to it other than what people are willing to ascribe to it.

50 posted on 11/11/2004 12:47:11 PM PST by Rocketman
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