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When Vietnam vets came home (Soldiers being spit on is just an urban myth)
News and Observer ^ | Nov 10, 2004 | JOHN LLEWELLYN

Posted on 11/10/2004 3:35:05 PM PST by mykdsmom

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To: Richard Kimball; ImpBill; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; Hi Heels; All
The author bases his column on a book written by Jerry Lembcke. I don't know if this has been pointed out but, although Lembecke was a Viet Nam veteran he also was a member of VVAW. I suspect his book ("The Spitting Image:)and research are biased towards that relationship, and quite possibly written to cover up the real atrocities of the war...the stigmatization of the veterans which certain members of the VVAW promoted.

I was too young to serve in your war, but not to young to understand the price it exacted from my uncle and my friends brothers and this nation.

You have all my deepest respect.

481 posted on 11/11/2004 10:52:33 AM PST by in the Arena (James Wayne Herrick, Jr. Captain/US Air Force - MIA - Laos - 27 October 1969)
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To: RaceBannon

Thanks for the ping, Race.

That sucks about your phone! Why am I not surprised that the smear campaign on our vets continues?

Thank you, Race, and thank to the rest of our veterans for your service for our country.


482 posted on 11/11/2004 10:53:22 AM PST by LoneGOPinCT (From the Land of Liberalty. All we are saying is give pizza chants.)
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To: wizr

LOL!


483 posted on 11/11/2004 10:53:45 AM PST by MistyCA (Sign the Form 180, Kerry!)
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To: mykdsmom

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484 posted on 11/11/2004 10:54:34 AM PST by VOA
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To: mykdsmom

"Our first step forward is to recognize that we are not a society that disrespects the sacrifices of our servicemembers. We should ignore anyone who tries to tell us otherwise. Whatever our aspirations for America, those hopes must begin with a clear awareness of who we are not."

Translation: Our first step forward is to ignore all those veterans who were spit upon and treated like sh*t for serving their country. Their experiences are irrelevant to the bigger "truth."


485 posted on 11/11/2004 10:56:48 AM PST by Avenger
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To: mykdsmom

Maybe this asswipe is an urban legend...this guy should be old enough to know the insults our guys went thru by those damn pukes! Nam vets...I wasn't old enough to go, but when I was 16, I knocked the shit out of one of those hippies in your honor with a shovel during a protest in my home town.


486 posted on 11/11/2004 11:01:14 AM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: in the Arena

The column he's talking about that he claims "started the legend" was written by Bob Greene. I forget the exact date of the column, but I know that the rumors preceeded the column by years, so his claim of the column starting the myth is just historical revisionism. BTW, Democrats spit on the Boy Scouts at a convention a few years ago, also.


487 posted on 11/11/2004 11:03:55 AM PST by Richard Kimball (Four more years)
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To: mykdsmom

STUPID SOB is all I can spout at the moment


488 posted on 11/11/2004 11:05:02 AM PST by wattsmag2
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To: mykdsmom

I enlisted in 1968. Got back in '71 and returned to Madison, WI. I could make a list of the crap I had to put up with. This guy is full of shit.


489 posted on 11/11/2004 11:12:49 AM PST by ndafill
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To: mykdsmom
Dr. John Llewellyn (336) 759-7229 llewelly@wfu.edu

IMHO...sounds like, this guy is kissing sKERRY's @$$ and/or laying the groundwork to dismiss any facts of disrespect the liberals showed the vets, during and after the war.

490 posted on 11/11/2004 11:14:35 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :)
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To: mykdsmom

Hey Guys ... for what it's worth


WELCOME HOME !


491 posted on 11/11/2004 11:17:03 AM PST by sawmill trash (We interrupt the regularly scheduled tagline to bring you this special tagline. 4 MORE YEARS !!!!)
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To: mykdsmom

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492 posted on 11/11/2004 12:05:50 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: RaceBannon

If I might point out one thing that will prove this was no urban legend. The Department of Defence changed it's policy on the wearing of civilian clothes because of the way armed forces personel were being assaulted and spit upon.

Before Viet Nam, officer and enlisted types weren't allowed to wear civies and weren't supposed to wear them on leave or liberty unless directed or ordered.

After Viet Nam civilian clothes were encouraged and accepted as appropriate off duty attire.

It may not seem like much but all of a sudden barracks had to make room for civilian clothing to be stored for every service member, and it did away with the military foot locker which was replaced with closet style lockers.

When I went home from boot camp in 1975 I too was spit on, only I wasn't warned not to respond and in the absense of orders I struck back and broke the spitter nose and quickly found my seat on the bus before he found some one to complain to.


493 posted on 11/11/2004 1:52:44 PM PST by usmcobra
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To: BellStar

How do I do that?


494 posted on 11/11/2004 1:57:04 PM PST by wizr
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To: mykdsmom
(Soldiers being spit on is just an urban myth)

No it isn't, my brother would not lie to me.

495 posted on 11/11/2004 1:58:27 PM PST by Dustbunny (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist)
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To: MistyCA
Extend my thanks to your brother for his service.

I will, Misty. Thanks.

496 posted on 11/11/2004 2:20:38 PM PST by Sal
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To: mykdsmom
huh. well, you could fooled my brother, who had a man spit on his shoes and say,"we don't hire no vietnam vets here."

one man's urban myth is another man's reality.

497 posted on 11/11/2004 2:33:36 PM PST by wildwood
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To: wizr

go here http://www.freerepublic.com/~wizr/


498 posted on 11/11/2004 2:57:50 PM PST by BellStar (Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice Clarence Thomas)
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To: mykdsmom
Well doc, you weren't there....I WAS! By the way doc, it was more than spit.

Hey doc, if you are going to rewrites history you'd better wait till all of us Vietnam Vets are dead it's easier that way. Nobody to take down your lies. You elitist POS.

It happened, and it hurt, but I got over it, and thanks to real Americans, like the FReepers and the good people, I finally got my "parade" and a "thank you". That's all we ever wanted (you can even forget the parade, the 'Thank You' was enough).

Doc all the lying, and rewriting and propaganda can't change what happened to us. You and your hero John F'n sKerry won't change it, but it sure bit you in the a$$ this time, didn't it. You people can't handle the truth so you lie and try to change it. Well, who's laughing now, and who's sorry now.

By the way doc, I was a college professor. I'll tell you this, I have a better time at the "Dew Drop Inn" than I ever had at a faculty mixer, and so did all of my fellow professors that followed me there after the faculty mixer. Rednecks are braver, more honest, and better people than you a$$holes, because they are real people that can do real things. A good friend that wanted my talent, put me on the dare a long time ago. He said, "those who can, do, those who can't, teach". The more I thought about that, the more I wanted to DO and I've been "doing" for a long time. The only thing my career as a professor is good for is a paragraph on my CV, and many laughs (you people are so disconnected from the real world, and rednecks aren't, it is their only world). I was always proud of my west Texas accent, even when I was a professor in the Yankee state of Indiana. My grammar was more correct than most of the lefty profs. And I'll always be proud to be a redneck.

I've rambled enough. If you believe the good doc, that's fine, if you believe a Vet, that's fine, but I'll be damned if the leftists will change history. I know you FReepers don't believe this horses%^t but I do worry that these lies will pass to the American people. I want the whole story told!

499 posted on 11/11/2004 3:18:46 PM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: JoeSixPack1

I grew up surrounded and protected by US Marines in Guantanamo Bay. All Americans owe you guys (and gals) our undying respect.

I have to admit some ignorance, though. I didn't realize the Corps is older than the nation. For some reason, I was under the impression the Corps was formed in the Second World War. How did the Marine Corps come about?


500 posted on 11/11/2004 4:01:29 PM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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