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To: Carry_Okie
Look Carry_Okie . . . forget for just a moment the size of government advocated by American self-haters and Inca "fascists." What is the ideological justification for this common goal? It is diametrically opposite in First and Third World Leftist ideology.

Are American Leftists inflaming the American people with a sense of fanatical nationalism? Are they appealing to traditional notions of American ethno-cultural identity by appealing to an alien enemy (a "foreign devil") who must be crushed? Are they advocating a huge military establishment or even that Americans arm themselves and fight their oppressors?

Leftism of the Third World type is a form of self-assertion. First World Leftism is a form of self-hatred. If the ideology of the two is actually identical (over and above "big government" and "wealth redistribution"), then why doesn't the American Left use the same militant nationalism and patriotism as its ideological justification in America that it does in the Andes? Even certain lilly-white, historically chr*stian European groups (the Celts and Basques) embrace a Third World style, militant, nationalist, ultra-patriotic Leftism. It's obviously much easier to come to power this way, flattering your constituency instead of continually slapping them around and telling them how evil they are. Why doesn't the Left do that here? Shoot, even Canadian Leftism has a dose of patriotic nationalism in it.

I believe that America, like the Jews, is hated as an "unnatural," "inorganic," or "rootless" nation. The whole Guevara/Yockey ideological spectrum is based on the claims of indigenousness and mystical connection to the soil. Maybe the "international American" is the stranger and the alien among a planet of "natives," as the Jews are treated as being?

PS: I do admit it is interesting to contemplate how early on Russian nationalism began to play an important role in Communism. The original Bolsheviks could hardly celebrate a country and culture they were trying to remake, yet Russian national interests became the absolute backbone of Communist ideology, and Russian Communists even came to defend pre-Communist Czarist imperialism in order to stake a Russian claim on its former imperial territories.

62 posted on 02/09/2005 6:58:57 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Hanistarot leHaShem 'Eloqeynu, vehaniglot lanu ulevaneynu `ad `olam.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
What is the ideological justification for this common goal? It is diametrically opposite in First and Third World Leftist ideology.

Who cares what the story is? Leftists don't. They'll say ANYTHING to get what they want, even subvocally. They'll believe whatever is convenient, including if it logically conflicts with other situational beliefs, to get what they want: more for them, which starts with power over you.

Socialism is founded upon a mental disorder. Don't expect it to be logical.

Are American Leftists inflaming the American people with a sense of fanatical nationalism?

In a sense, yes. They are inflamed with fanatical globalism.

Are they appealing to traditional notions of American ethno-cultural identity by appealing to an alien enemy (a "foreign devil") who must be crushed?

The "foreigner" is the Judeo-Christian conservative, who must be crushed.

Are they advocating a huge military establishment or even that Americans arm themselves and fight their oppressors?

As long as it belongs to the UN, yes.

You just don't seem to get it.

Leftism of the Third World type is a form of self-assertion.

So is every other form of self-righteous breast-beating.

If the ideology of the two is actually identical (over and above "big government" and "wealth redistribution"), then why doesn't the American Left use the same militant nationalism and patriotism as its ideological justification in America that it does in the Andes?

See above, just replace militant nationalism with militant globalism and it's exactly the same.

It's obviously much easier to come to power this way, flattering your constituency instead of continually slapping them around and telling them how evil they are. Why doesn't the Left do that here?

Because they have "higher" goals, total control of the entire planet.

I believe that America, like the Jews, is hated as an "unnatural," "inorganic," or "rootless" nation.

America is hated because it is in the way of their ambitions, notably the abolition of private property, upon which I wrote the book.

64 posted on 02/09/2005 9:18:00 PM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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