[dennisw]

They got their s*** together. They might be born here. Might be gang bangers. But the rule of thumb is the more vicious the ethnic gang, the more likely they were not born here. They got that vicious 3rd world hell hole stuff hard wired into them.

[CWOJackson]

"But the rule of thumb is the more vicious the ethnic gang, the more likely they were not born here."

Miami, Detroit and LA are full of serious bad gangs that are all home grown.