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Does Kerry-blue Illinois actually bleed Bush red?
Daily Herald ^ | November 08, 2004 | John Patterson

Posted on 11/08/2004 11:13:53 AM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 11/08/2004 11:13:53 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson

Interesting article. TY for posting it.

I believe Minnesota is somewhat the same...geographically.

Bush lost Hennepin and Ramsey (Minneapolis and St Paul) counties by such large margins, it was impossible to win the state for Bush.

The inner cities as well as the first-ring suburbs provided Kerry's strong base from which he took Minnesota's 10 EV's.

I gotta give credit to the DFL. They worked their base hard...real hard. They hit the inner city areas over and over again. They weren't content with winning 65% of the vote. They wanted more....and they got it.



2 posted on 11/08/2004 11:22:23 AM PST by MplsSteve
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It was unfortunate the the Republicans couldn't find a valid candidate to run against Obama; and many Republican voters were dismayed by the import of Alan Keyes, talented as he may be. But it was a dyed in the wool loss once Jack Ryan's divorce situ was publically exposed (thanks to his porn star ex-wife). It made it look as though the other Republicans in the area were afraid of what might be snatched out of their closets. But we still have Henry Hyde and Denny Hasterdt to brag about. There is hope in Illinois for an eventual win.


3 posted on 11/08/2004 11:29:24 AM PST by Grendel9
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To: SJackson
In 2000, if you ignored the results in LA, Chicago, and New York City, Bush carried the rest of the nation by 2 million votes. I wonder what Bush's margin of victory was this year outside those cities?

To those who say that Bush does not have a mandate, all they have to do is look at the map of election results by county. Take away the SF Bay Area, Los Angeles, Chicago, NY, and Philadelphia, and this is Bush Country!

As Walter Williams pointed out after the election in 2000, the places of greatest Democrat strength are places of major dysfunction and social pathology -- higher illiteracy rates, higher crime, higher drug use, higher illegitimacy, higher unemployment. "Red America" is made up of producers; "Blue America" is predominantly made up of users (of government services). Rather than stand for policies that will enhance the health of society, the Democrats apparently believe that their path to success rests in dumbing America down more, making more Americans dependent upon government programs, and increasing social misery and hopelessness. The Democrats are the party of despair. While their support is isolated in pools of "blue," those pools of blue are increasingly becoming social and cultural hell-holes.

4 posted on 11/08/2004 11:30:54 AM PST by My2Cents (The Democrat Party is pining for the fjords.)
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To: Grendel9

Regardless of the results, Illinois is still the "Land of Lincoln."


5 posted on 11/08/2004 11:31:50 AM PST by My2Cents (The Democrat Party is pining for the fjords.)
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To: SJackson

>>evangelical Republican Alan Keyes<<

For the record, Alan Keyes in Catholic.


6 posted on 11/08/2004 11:32:46 AM PST by dangus
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To: My2Cents
Illinois is still the "Land of Lincoln."

Yeah..... and also Dick Daley and Al Capone.

7 posted on 11/08/2004 11:35:04 AM PST by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Republicam)
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To: My2Cents

Naah, that would be Kentucky. :^)


8 posted on 11/08/2004 11:36:38 AM PST by dangus
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To: My2Cents
I live in Illinois in a Blue County (Rock Island) and I would have to say the main reason for this county to vote Dem is the heavy Union presence here. John Deere leading among other union heavy industries in the area. Top that off with the history of Union involvement in this county gives the nod to Dems.

I have quite a few friends that are in Unions here and they vote based on those ideas and are against any Republican agenda.
9 posted on 11/08/2004 11:38:47 AM PST by Even Keel
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To: Grendel9

Re: Ryan's "porn star ex-wife"

Jerri Ryan may be a poor actress and a goodlooking woman, but that combo does not make her a 'porn star.'

Indeed, she had nothing to do with the divorce case revelations and fought their public release, seeking to protect the Ryan's son from some of the more sordid stuff in it (which basically was Ryan asking his hot wife - who a lot of men covet - for oral sex in public, a 'sex club' or 'swingers club,' I think).

Jerri Ryan, to her credit, by the accounts in the court record, declined his boorish requests. Now what I expect from a 'porn star.'

So don't blame Jerry Ryan - she ostensibly didn't like her husband's conduct and grew alienated from him, at leastpartly because of it. She is right, in my book.

And she isn't and wasn't a 'porn star' who sought to release the details in the divorce record, best as I am aware.


10 posted on 11/08/2004 11:39:42 AM PST by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: dangus
Naah, that would be Kentucky. :^)

LOL. My apologies.

11 posted on 11/08/2004 11:45:38 AM PST by My2Cents (The Democrat Party is pining for the fjords.)
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To: SJackson

In illinois it is hard to beat the Chicago vote. We need fairly mainstream candidates.

I voted for Keyes but I was pretty sure he would not do well.

We would have been better off with Poshard (D) in 1998. Old man Ryan stuck a knife in the heart and the back of the Illinois Gop and twisted.

Ouch...

Well anyways, Judith Barr Topinka holds the keys to purse strings still. But the Dems are everywhere else in state Gov.

Maybe Topinka can challenge Blagovich in 2006.


=8-)


12 posted on 11/08/2004 11:47:41 AM PST by loudzoo
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To: MplsSteve

I was told by someone who lives in DuPage County that the democrats don't show their faces there, "it's just not done".

DuPage County is about 20 miles west of Chicago.


13 posted on 11/08/2004 12:50:39 PM PST by brianl703 (Border crossing is a misdemeanor. So is drunk driving. Which do we have more checkpoints for?)
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To: HitmanNY
Post seconded. I was going to say something similar. So instead:


14 posted on 11/08/2004 12:53:27 PM PST by cogitator
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To: MplsSteve

I live in central Illinois, my county, which is filled with labor union members, voted, by a slim margin, for GW Bush, and kicked out a 20 year veteran of the state senate, an entrenched democrat, and replaced him with a pro-business Republican.


15 posted on 11/08/2004 12:57:03 PM PST by MamaLucci (Libs, want answers on 911? Ask Clinton why he met with Monica more than with his CIA director.)
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To: MplsSteve

Same thing in Pa. and Mich.


16 posted on 11/08/2004 12:58:36 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: SJackson
Don't kid yourself.

Illinois is a lost cause. The commies have taken over.

17 posted on 11/08/2004 12:59:55 PM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: JesseHousman

Bite your tongue, dear heart. You forget: Jesus is Lord and there are a lot of praying Christians in Illinois. The Holy Spirit is alive and well here and our victory is only a matter of time.
I got faith :o)


18 posted on 11/08/2004 1:25:33 PM PST by GrannyAnnie (as right as I can be)
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To: GrannyAnnie
I'll never forget that Jesus is Lord.

I still believe that Illinois will wallow in leftist, Godless politics for eons!

No more strolls down Michigan Avenue for me.

19 posted on 11/08/2004 1:27:54 PM PST by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: SJackson

Illinois in 2000


Illinois in 2004

Red - Democrat Blue - Republican

Seems we made some inroads and changed a few counties from democrat to Republican....it's doable.
20 posted on 11/08/2004 1:34:33 PM PST by MissouriConservative (We will always remember, always be proud, always be prepared, so we may always be free)
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