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Religious Liberals Must Take Off Kid Gloves & Fight the Right
Charleston Gazette ^ | 11/5/04 | Susanna Rodell

Posted on 11/08/2004 6:27:21 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta

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To: gdc61

Jews for Jesus are a scam, mostly baprists who want to trick Jews...

It is quite simple: if you believe in Jesus, you are not, I repeat you are not a Jew... This was actually confirmed by the Israeli Supreme Court in a famous case...

Very simple..

Oh yes: I read the perphets in the original... No sign of Jesus there...


161 posted on 11/08/2004 1:06:52 PM PST by Pitiricus
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To: Pitiricus

"baprists who want to trick Jews..." LOL, thank you.
so I take it you have never read the New Testament or New Covenant as it is sometimes called?


162 posted on 11/08/2004 3:53:21 PM PST by gdc61
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To: Taliesan
Wesleyan greetings to you. Theological and social conservatives who also were in the forefront of the fight against slavery.

Thank you! I assume you are also a Wesleyan. Where are you located? We never heard of the Wesleyan denomination until a couple of years ago. We're very happy we became members.

163 posted on 11/09/2004 7:23:20 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
We haven’t found a way to counter the religious right, because we’re all too damned tasteful and tolerant to be pushy about our beliefs.

Ummm... if you say so. Tasteful and tolerant is not something I normally associate with the Michael Moore left, but hey, whatever delusion gets you through the day pal.

164 posted on 11/09/2004 7:24:49 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: GadareneDemoniac; Taliesan; Protagoras; Wallace T.; Search4Truth

The Presbyterian Cchurch(USA) medical benefits plan is mandatory for all installed pastors. Abortion for any reason, at any time during pregnancy, is a covered service of the denomination's plan.

The coverage includes partial birth abortion; it includes abortion by means of chemicals, such as RU-486; it includes abortions for minor dependent daughters with no requirement for parental notification; it includes no requirement for medical necessity.

General Assembly Council Executive Director John Detterick, when he was President of the Board of Pensions--the PC(USA) entity that designs and administers the plan--said, "The simple fact is that the medical plan pays for elective abortions as ordinary medical payment."

The fact of abortion coverage affects not only the pastors, their families, and other denominational staff who use it, but also those who pay the dues for the plan. The tithes and offerings of contributing church members are used to pay the dues.

http://www.ppl.org/MedBenPlan_2002.html

[This is why I had to leave the Presbyterian Church after being a lifelong member.]


165 posted on 11/09/2004 7:39:39 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

You can withhold any of your offering to anything they do that you don't agree with, simply inform the church.
None of my offering goes to the national, for instance.


166 posted on 11/09/2004 7:44:40 AM PST by Protagoras (Call it what it is, partial delivery murder.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Religious Liberals think the Bible is just an old collection of suggestive guidelines and shouldn't interfere with liberals establishing their own morals and values, sorta like Kerry and abortion!


167 posted on 11/09/2004 7:50:05 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: Protagoras
You can withhold any of your offering to anything they do that you don't agree with, simply inform the church. None of my offering goes to the national, for instance.

My mother and her widowed friends still go to this Presbyterian Church USA that I left. My mother knows that the pastor has abortion coverage because I told her. The other ladies don't even know about it. I informed people about it at a Stewardship meeting, but one man said, "What do you want us to do about it?"

The Pastor NEVER stood up in the pulpit and told everyone he has abortion coverage. When I asked him to exempt our church from this coverage, he was uncooperative.

IMO staying at this church was like being a member of the Democrat party. I searched my heart and couldn't be a member of a church that took members' offerings and paid for abortions with it.

168 posted on 11/09/2004 7:53:09 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Sounds like you could have looked for a different congregation.

All I'm saying is that leaving isn't the only solution, it is one solution.

I'm not blaming you for doing it, just wishing you had stayed and fought with those of us who still think there is a chance to save it. If God wants it to happen, it will.

169 posted on 11/09/2004 7:57:55 AM PST by Protagoras (Call it what it is, partial delivery murder.)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

For once in my life I'm speechless.

I wanted to say "May God have mercy on them" - and He would if they would ask for it - but it doesn't sound like they will.

You did the right thing by leaving.


170 posted on 11/09/2004 10:52:51 AM PST by GadareneDemoniac
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To: GadareneDemoniac
You did the right thing by leaving.

Thank you! We had peace of mind after we left the Presbyterian Church USA for a pro-life church.

171 posted on 11/09/2004 2:47:18 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
We don’t evangelize; we consider it disrespectful to shove our spiritual views down other people’s throats.

Which Bible do these "deeply religious" liberals adhere to, I wonder? It's disrespectful to evangelize, as the Bible clearly commands us to do? Sharing what God's Word says is "shoving it down someone's throat?"

The apostasy materializes a bit more fully with each passing day.

MM

172 posted on 11/09/2004 2:54:19 PM PST by MississippiMan (Americans should not be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.)
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To: MississippiMan
Which Bible do these "deeply religious" liberals adhere to, I wonder?

The bible of political correctness.

173 posted on 11/09/2004 2:58:02 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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