[snooker]

Laughing so much my sides hurt, let me collect myself. Kerry man ? You sure know me well. Check my posting history and you won't ask the question.

Let me state this as plainly as I can. I abhor abortion as much as the next.

I just want to win -- I am tired of arguing.

What do you want to accomplish? Getting rid of Roe v Wade or getting rid of abortions? Progress is made by changing minds, not auguring endlessly.

[editor-surveyor]

"Getting rid of Roe v Wade or getting rid of abortions?"

Both.

The media lie. Public opinion is heavily against 'abortion on demand.' What people want is something that they really always had: protection for the mother's life. Roe v. Wade was a strawman; the doctors always had the disgression to save the most viable life, and only elective abortion was ever illegal.