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A Blue City (Disconsolate, Even) Bewildered by a Red America
New York Times ^ | Nov 4, 2004 | Joseph Berger

Posted on 11/04/2004 5:37:57 AM PST by publius1

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To: CaptainK

"frequents Elaine's restaurant"

For all you ignoramuses out there, let me enlighten you. Elaine's is the northern name for the franchise Wendy's. Aren't you glad I informed you?


121 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:13 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: publius1

As an example, Ms. Camhe offered the different attitudes New Yorkers may have about social issues like gay marriage.

"We live in this marvelous diversity where we actually have gay neighbors," she said. "They're not some vilified unknown. They're our neighbors."

This line really got me.

Just because we're against gay marraige doesn't mean we're afraid of or hate gays. This Ms. Camhe believes that we're two year-olds who are afraid of the bogey man.

BS

What an elitist *itch.

damn, where's my coffee...

122 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:29 AM PST by UlmoLordOfWaters
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To: wideawake
However, in other areas of Brooklyn, in Staten Island and in Queens there were hundreds of thousands of Bush voters who hate these people even more than FReepers do. You can take that to the bank.

The county I live in (Western NY area) went 65% for Bush - 35% for Kerry). The same for almost all rural counties in these parts...

123 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:34 AM PST by Fury
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To: chris1
Thank you so much for sharing this. You are indeed a patriot.

I was thinking back what compelled me to get involved actively and recall it was all the money the democrats were pouring into their campaign. George Soros for one outraged me. Looking closer on FR, I realized the outright deceit and slander they were mounting against the President and more... people were buying it!

I know now that I have to stay involved at a state and local level. NJ democrats are the worst of the worst. From this last campaign process, I know that selfless volunteers motivated by fair play will prevail. We've all learned that if you do something... compelled to do something because it is right the rewards will be beyond anything imaginable.

And on FR, we have an opportunity to find out who we are and what we believe: the article really states the NYC has isolated itself from the rest of the country. The truth is there in the NY Post. Terry McAuliff called it 'the Mad Magazine of Journalism'.

124 posted on 11/04/2004 6:33:43 AM PST by DaveMSmith (I'm not so sure it's credible to quote leading news organizations about -- oh, nevermind.-GWB)
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To: Alberta's Child
Welcome to Pennsylvania -- AMERICA STARTS HERE

How did Pennsylvania vote?

They may have to move the billboard.

125 posted on 11/04/2004 6:34:21 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: publius1
So yesterday my General Manager (big Kerry supporter) screams across the store with a huge line at the register -- 'So, Cato, how did you feel when you saw that big swatch of red across the middle of the country?'

I replied 'Disappointed -- my friends and neighbors weren't as smart as the rest of the country -- there should have been more red.'

I saw horror on some of the faces in line, and flashes of smiles on others.

126 posted on 11/04/2004 6:35:28 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: surfatsixty

The comments in this article are utterly ironic, considering how New York has become the kind of place where Americans used to send Christian missionaries.


127 posted on 11/04/2004 6:35:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: publius1
"What's different about New York City is it tends to bring people together and so we can't ignore each others' dreams and values and it creates a much more inclusive consciousness," she said. "When you're in a more isolated environment, you're more susceptible to some ideology that's imposed on you."

Says the person literally living on an island where 85% of the residents voted for the same candidate...

128 posted on 11/04/2004 6:37:02 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Roccus

Someone should remind these New York liberals that they are only 350 miles from Montreal and 500 from Toronto. If they don't own cars, Greyhound and Amtrak are available, as is Air Canada. For somewhat more money, they can go to Paris, Berlin, Brussels, or Amsterdam. (They do not need to go to our allies in Britain and Italy.)


129 posted on 11/04/2004 6:40:51 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: publius1
"I'm saddened by what I feel is the obtuseness and shortsightedness of a good part of the country - the heartland," Dr. Joseph said. "This kind of redneck, shoot-from-the-hip mentality and a very concrete interpretation of religion is prevalent in Bush country - in the heartland."

"New Yorkers are more sophisticated and at a level of consciousness where we realize we have to think of globalization, of one mankind, that what's going to injure masses of people is not good for us," he said.

His friend, Ms. Cohn, a native of Wisconsin who deals in art, contended that New Yorkers were not as fooled by Mr. Bush's statements as other Americans might be. "New Yorkers are savvy," she said. "We have street smarts. Whereas people in the Midwest are more influenced by what their friends say."

"They're very 1950's," she said of Midwesterners. "When I go back there, I feel I'm in a time warp."

Dr. Joseph acknowledged that such attitudes could feed into the perception that New Yorkers are cultural elitists, but he didn't apologize for it.

This total paternalistic contempt for everyone who doesn't think like themselves is why liberals will never win election in the US.

Item A in why we need to saw off the northeast at the Hudson River and give it to Canada.

130 posted on 11/04/2004 6:40:57 AM PST by Hermann the Cherusker
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Interestate 80 is quite a ways north of Philadelphia, so when you drive across PA on it you pass through voting districts that supported Bush by a combined margin of something like 80%-20%.


131 posted on 11/04/2004 6:41:28 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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To: JustaCowgirl

BIN LADEN'S POST ELECTION HOPES & DREAMS:

He hoped to look at a map of America, solid blue (really
yellow) with one or two red states here or there which he
could send his minions to attack.

WHAT BIN LADEN SAW POST ELECTION:
HE SAW THE WHOLE DAM* COUNTRY IN RED, (the part with all
the ammo) THE WHOLE DAM* COUNTRY AT WAR WITH - - HIM!!!!


132 posted on 11/04/2004 6:42:38 AM PST by Twinkie
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To: chris1

Thanks.


133 posted on 11/04/2004 6:43:53 AM PST by Stentor
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To: JustaCowgirl

My Dad told me long ago that Democrats are "wired different" than most people. Without resorting to names, I think I can live with that description. They are wired different (as in wires crossed, short in the wire, etc).


134 posted on 11/04/2004 6:46:22 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (Liberals are evidence that Satan is very active in this world)
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To: publius1

"Do you know how I described New York to my European friends?" she said. "New York is an island off the coast of Europe."

I wonder if Rula Lenska is one of her European friends?

This article should have had a 'Barf Alert.'


135 posted on 11/04/2004 6:46:47 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (What can you expect from a political party full of master-debators?)
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To: ConservativeDude
"We need to bring our way of life, which is honoring diversity and having compassion for people with different lifestyles, on a trip around the country."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! New Yorkers---known for their INTOLERANCE of anyone and everyone---touting their "diversity and compassion". WHAT a JOKE!!!!

136 posted on 11/04/2004 6:49:09 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: JustaCowgirl

read later


137 posted on 11/04/2004 6:50:18 AM PST by since1868
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To: chris1

Everyone has to know that they have a part to play. I got out the Republican vote in rural Ceres Township,PA. The organization of the Bush camp was amazing. Mr. Tabor, a Texas attorney, co-ordinated the effort.
I think it's important that Freepers realize that there are many people in "enemy" territory(be it Europe or NYC) who agree with us. There are many more conservatives in NYC than there are in McKean County, PA.
Thanks for your hard work in a difficult environment!


138 posted on 11/04/2004 6:51:32 AM PST by macrahanish #1
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To: publius1

All I got to say to these worthless SOBs eletists is FU and Haw Haw - your snobby better than thou attitude doesnt play in south and heartland. You dont send your sons and daughters off to fight for this country, and never had, all you care about is getting your damn cup of cappaccino and attending your little dinner parties and art exhibits. Go to hell liberals/communists well take care of the country you just shut the hell up.


139 posted on 11/04/2004 6:51:38 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (The road to hell is paved with good intentions))
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To: publius1
Here's an appropriate response to the attitude portrayed in this article. It's from the 2000 election, but it makes the point perfectly . . .

The Triumph of Little America

140 posted on 11/04/2004 6:51:41 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I made enough money to buy Miami -- but I pissed it away on the Alternative Minimum Tax.)
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