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Bloggers Said to Blame for Bad Poll Info
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&u=/ap/20041103/ap_on_el_pr/eln_tv_exit_polls_1&printer=1 ^ | 11/3/04 | DAVID BAUDER

Posted on 11/03/2004 2:56:15 PM PST by Maria S

NEW YORK - News organizations promised Wednesday to look into why their Election Day exit polls showed an initial surge for John Kerry (news - web sites), but also blamed bloggers for spreading news that gave a misleading view of the presidential race.

The exit poll data was delivered at several points Tuesday to ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, Fox News Channel and The Associated Press by the National Election Pool, a company formed in the wake of the networks' blown calls on election night 2000.

The first wave showed Kerry with a lead of three percentage points in Florida and four points in Ohio — both battleground states won by President Bush (news - web sites) when the votes were actually counted, giving the president his margin of victory.

"Once one part of it is in question and is wrong, it kind of puts the whole thing in question," said Marty Ryan, Fox News Channel's executive producer for political coverage. "It was disappointing. ... During the primary season, it worked very well for us, we were happy with it. But that was not good last night."

Other network representatives said their confidence in NEP remained unshaken.

The Florida and Ohio exit poll results, along with those in other states were Kerry was strong, was quickly disseminated on Web sites such as Slate, the Drudge Report, Wonkette.com, Atrios.blogspot.com and Command Post.

Some of these sites cautioned readers not to make too much of the information. The Command Post delivered the news under the headline "Grain of Salt." Drudge removed the numbers almost as quickly as they were posted. And Slate warned: "these early exit poll numbers do not divine the name of the winner."

"I didn't have any real compunction about putting it up there," said Alan Nelson, co-manager of The Command Post. "I didn't struggle with the decision, because I knew it was going to become a global news item within about 30 seconds.

"Our approach is: We post, you decide," Nelson said. But the people who read these numbers — among them, thousands of ordinary Americans with an intense interest in the election — put too much faith into them and leaped to conclusions, said Bill Schneider, CNN's polling expert.

"I think people believed them, and it's particularly the case with Internet bloggers," said Kathy Frankovic, CBS News' polling director. "That's unfortunate because it sets up expectations that may or may not be met. I think it's a good exercise because it reminded people that early exit polls can be unreliable."

Bloggers picked out different numbers to use for their purposes, said Joseph Lenski, who ran the poll with partner Warren Mitofsky for the NEP. As the day wore on, later waves of exit polling showed the race tightening.

"Doing an early poll is like reporting the results of the game at halftime," Lenski said. "You only have about a third of the information. No other survey research is held to that level of accuracy."

The NEP had enough concerns that its early exit polls were skewing too heavily toward Kerry that it held a conference call with news organizations mid-afternoon urging caution in how that information was used. Early polls in New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Minnesota and Connecticut were then showing a heavier Kerry vote than anticipated.

Pollsters anticipate a postmortem to find out why that happened. Some possibilities: Democrats were more eager to speak to pollsters than Republicans, or Kerry supporters tended to go to the polls earlier in the day than Bush voters.

"The exit poll is one of several tools that AP uses to call races," said Kathleen Carroll, the news agency's senior vice president and executive editor. "After every election, we look back at how all our tools worked. We'll be doing that in the next few days with our election experts and our colleagues at the National Election Pool, and expect to be able to address any concerns in that process."

NEP members note that the organizations that commissioned the poll did not use the information to mislead the public.

None it was used to wrongly call a state, due to extra care after the disastrous election night of four years ago when networks twiced prematurely declared Bush the winner in Florida.

For particularly close states, NBC relied on actual vote counts, said Bill Wheatley, NBC News vice president.

Still, some correspondents subtly telegraphed the polls to viewers. On the evening news, NBC's David Gregory said Bush "appeared subdued," while ABC's Terry Moran noted the president had expressed a "rare sense of doubt."

Fox News Channel correspondents bluntly addressed the polls early on election night, at about the time Bush campaign officials were alerting reporters that their analysis of the actual vote count showed they were doing better than the exit polls indicated.

"The view in Boston is that if the exit polls are right, it's going to be very difficult for George Bush (news - web sites) to win tonight," Fox News analyst Susan Estrich said.

In the end, those polls — or the reading of them — proved to be incorrect.


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1 posted on 11/03/2004 2:56:15 PM PST by Maria S
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To: Maria S

It's all the BLOGGERS' fault?! You have GOT to be kidding me!!!! Sorry, kids, but MSM ran the polls. Unbelievable!


2 posted on 11/03/2004 2:57:58 PM PST by inkling
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To: Maria S

It's not our fault if we're fast!

The Dems tried one last dirty trick and it backfired - an enterprising investigative reporter ought to be able to sniff out the DNC conncection to those exit polls and their companies.

Or - it might have been Karl Rove scaring republicans to the polls....:>)


3 posted on 11/03/2004 2:58:15 PM PST by wvobiwan (Kerry/Edwards Foreign Policy Slogan: Accept our surrender or we'll sue!)
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To: Maria S
Drudge and NRO's Corner gave me a terrible fright yesterday.

They should all be caned.

FreeRepublic's Admin gurus had the good sense to discourage the posting of exit poll nonsense.

4 posted on 11/03/2004 3:00:28 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Maria S

This is amazingly nonsensical. Do you mean to tell me that people READ the polls the MSM posted? and then DREW CONCLUSIONS? gasp! and.. and then.... TOLD PEOPLE ON WEBSITES!?!?! *shock!* How could they!!!


5 posted on 11/03/2004 3:01:32 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: inkling

No, not kidding. I heard it early AM, all morning, the MSM blaming the bloggers for misleading exit polls.. Haaa haaaa!
Love it.


6 posted on 11/03/2004 3:01:46 PM PST by onyx eyes (...just act normal.....and soon they'll believe you....)
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To: Maria S

The basic spin in the press was "these numbers weren't meant for anyone but us."

Look for that to be a key theme, under the heading "we know how to read the numbers correctly and the public doesn't."


7 posted on 11/03/2004 3:01:47 PM PST by 1L
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To: Maria S
but also blamed bloggers for spreading news that gave a misleading view of the presidential race.

"bloggers" repeating the media, media blames the bloggers.

A Kerryesque denounciation of other for acting the same as he.

8 posted on 11/03/2004 3:02:30 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Maria S
I have some more news for the media. The characters in the comic strips aren't real.
9 posted on 11/03/2004 3:03:09 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult ("I hate going to places like Austin and Dubuque to raise large sums of money. But I have to," Kerry)
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To: Maria S
The headline should have been LEFT-WING bloggers are to Blame...

I saw plenty of voices on this side show true understanding of why they were wrong....the TV democrat pundit were beating that horse there far more.

All through the last few weeks, the ORGANIZED e-mail campaigns of the Democrats/lefties -- the DNC and MoveOn -- were the ones who thought by swamping the on-line polls that it would energize their people and demoralize the Conservatives.
10 posted on 11/03/2004 3:05:40 PM PST by Jackson Brown
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To: Maria S

Memo to presstitutes: The Bloggers exposed the weighting fraud. Ask Dan Rather if you don't understand...


11 posted on 11/03/2004 3:08:00 PM PST by eureka! (It will not be safe to vote Democrat for a long, long, time...)
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To: Maria S

Let's see....it's the Blogger's fault that they had access to the same info the MS media was USING? The same info they tried to use to boost the Kerry vote?


12 posted on 11/03/2004 3:09:34 PM PST by jess35
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To: Maria S

They still think they are viable...
All they can do is build lie upon lie upon lie...
It is ALL they know how to do....
They are like a one trick propaganda pony...

Pathetic Main Stream Media....


13 posted on 11/03/2004 3:12:54 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: joesnuffy
Guess Who DidThe Exit Polls
14 posted on 11/03/2004 3:14:59 PM PST by joesnuffy ("The merit of our Constitution was, not that it promotes democracy, but checks it." Horatio Seymour)
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To: Maria S
So if the company doing the exit polls uses more women than men and then uses this as a true picture of the election and then get it wrong it's the bloggers fault.

Memo to self be ready for 2008!

15 posted on 11/03/2004 3:15:28 PM PST by rocksblues (Sorry John, we remember and will never forget your treason!)
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To: joesnuffy

If we do not do something concrete to impact the MSM, it will just be worst in 06 and 08.


16 posted on 11/03/2004 3:16:49 PM PST by thutchis
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To: Maria S

The internet spread it for a while, and then rose up against it. The misinformation would have prevailed a lot longer without the bloggers, who soon noticed that it was nonsense.

Drudge has always done very well on election day by breaking the embargoes on letting out the news. That's what he planned to do again yesterday. When he realized that he was being taken in by the exit polls, maybe with a little help from FreeRepublic, he quickly and publicly canned them and went with the actual vote counts.

The networks and the MSM stuck with the faulty polls a LOT longer. This story is precisely backwards.


17 posted on 11/03/2004 3:17:14 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Maria S

Misleading? Ha! It's your poll results


18 posted on 11/03/2004 3:17:26 PM PST by demlosers
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To: Maria S

Balderdash!
Two groups did the exit polling; there was a thread on it this morning.
IIRC, one of the groups is run by a former exec from CBS.
(What a shock they'd be involved in trying to suppress Republican voteing/turnout)


19 posted on 11/03/2004 3:26:50 PM PST by VOA
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To: Maria S

MSM taking a parting shot on the way down...


20 posted on 11/03/2004 3:27:23 PM PST by jcb8199
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