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Kerry defeat leaves stunned Democrats searching for a new Clinton
Yahoo ^ | 11/3/04

Posted on 11/03/2004 12:28:36 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

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81 posted on 11/03/2004 5:57:00 PM PST by GOPJ (If 260 National Guard vets said Bush was an incompetent liar, the MSM would cover it. BiGTime)
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To: ctdonath2

Yup, you got it. It is absolutely true! The more metropolitan, the more liberal!! Also there is something with cool breeze from oceans that just does something to people!


82 posted on 11/03/2004 6:01:47 PM PST by bubman
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To: G.Mason
Barack Obama will soon show his winning smile and socialists ways for all to see,

Don't bet on it. Your assuming Obama actually has some kind of ideological integrity. He doesn't, he's a political oppurtunist who loves the camera and is super ambitious.

More likely, he won't care, not bother understanding any issue (though this won't stop him from finding a camera, and speaking before it, i.e. see Shumer) and just voting in different and inconsistant ways so as to build some kind of centerist record.

My guess, He'll try and be the new John Breax or Frost or Ford. Sort of a consencus builder so as to gain popularity and keep the liberal label off of him. He doesn't care about results, or beliefs, he cares about his image and being a rising star. Not being a knee jerk liberal and acting more like a Biden or Lieberman or Breax sets him up great for a future run for the white house.

83 posted on 11/03/2004 6:31:10 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: ctdonath2
Social constructs needed to survive in high-density regions are detrimental to survival in low-density, and vice versa.

Well put, and I intiutively agree with you, but do you have some examples?

And that insurmountable urban-rural divide implies that a better system of government for the United States would be a decentralized federal system partitioned into urban-rural districts, rather than the existing division of states.

84 posted on 11/03/2004 6:40:53 PM PST by IStillBelieve (G.W. Bush '04: Biggest popular vote victory in history!)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Maybe on of dese folks can be the "new Clinton"!


85 posted on 11/03/2004 6:47:03 PM PST by timestax
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To: ctdonath2

Why are liberals calling this nation divided?


86 posted on 11/03/2004 6:50:25 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: ctdonath2

Your map and a similar one from the 2000 party demonstrates the main problem for the Democrats. Simply put the are no longer a national party. They start of each election cycle conceding about 20 states to the Republicans.


87 posted on 11/03/2004 7:00:15 PM PST by CharacterCounts
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
For all of you who are worried about a Hillary Presidency, read this carefully.

"One, he is too liberal, well to the left of the American mainstream on the critical social and cultural issues such as abortion, gay rights and gun control."

More important for Sabato was personality.

"John Kerry is no Bill Clinton. There is very little warmth there, and people didn't warm to him. A moderate Democratic candidate with personal warmth would have defeated George W. Bush easily."

88 posted on 11/03/2004 7:07:53 PM PST by John Lenin
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Plug in Hillary Clinton for John Kerry


89 posted on 11/03/2004 7:09:18 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Kerry defeat leaves stunned Democrats searching for a new Clinton

They have Clintons, I am shure Bubba will be thrilled to run against Hildebeast.

90 posted on 11/03/2004 7:23:51 PM PST by Anticommie
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To: Sonny M
"Don't bet on it. Your assuming Obama actually has some kind of ideological integrity ... "

We shall see.

One thing is sure. Much like the old media was complicit in the JFKennedy "Camelot" fable, they have set their collective sights on him as one they will fawn over and publicize.

With the change in media consumption by many Americans to the internet, perhaps the Brinkley's of the world will have a harder time selling that pap.

91 posted on 11/04/2004 3:08:13 AM PST by G.Mason (A war mongering, UN hating, military industrial complex loving, Al Qaeda incinerating American.)
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To: beckysueb

I wonder if Zogby is eating crow, yet.

He will paint a happy face on his work.


92 posted on 11/04/2004 6:47:22 AM PST by DOGEY
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To: G.Mason
One thing is sure. Much like the old media was complicit in the JFKennedy "Camelot" fable, they have set their collective sights on him as one they will fawn over and publicize.

There's no doubt about that in my mind. He's got his eye on the ball, and is going to handle everything as though he was running a campaign for middle america. He's polished, knows how to talk (notice his constant referances to religion and god), and shows optimism. But, and I'm noticing it now, I think a lot of other dems are going to try and bring him down a peg, including Hillary, this guy is competition, he's ambition without principle and ideology without committment, making him the kind of guy who can work for 4 years playing games.

It'll be hard to sling him on his senate record, it'll take the GOP (and the dems who will compete with him) to have to go back to his early days to really ravage him.

The media will try and sell him like he was a product and they owned stock in the company, it'll fail though. He'll get the wringer from both sides with both barrels.

93 posted on 11/04/2004 1:47:47 PM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: mountaineer

She needs to cover those up better! Isn't early for Turkey Day...Turkeys Done!....


94 posted on 11/04/2004 1:51:02 PM PST by cmiller623 (Kerry...the joke is on you and good riddence)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

The Democrats "need only nominate a moderate candidate with warmth,"

Yes, but these days we call those folks "Republicans."

At this point in history, the phrase "moderate Democrat" is becoming an oxymoron.


95 posted on 11/04/2004 1:55:51 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: bill1952
Until the liberals realize the voters defeated them designations are meaningless.
96 posted on 11/04/2004 2:28:54 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection

Beware of Evan Bayh.


97 posted on 11/04/2004 2:30:31 PM PST by MHT
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To: MHT

Indiana, our new South Dakota.


98 posted on 11/04/2004 2:35:35 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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