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To: callmejoe
His friends in the intel community are saying that the garb UBL was wearing on the video is particular to the local dress in Mashad in NE Iran (near Afghan border). It was a signal that they are working hand in glove.

Yes, it was Mashad. Thanks for taking better notes than I did. ;-)

Thanks too, for laying out the translation in a logical manner.

"The UBL tape was two years in coming because it contained a specific nuclear threat."

Any clue what the specifice nuclear threat was/is?

3,676 posted on 11/15/2004 5:51:44 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Velveeta; JustPiper; Cindy; All
another submarine!

Israel says submarine infiltrated its coastal waters

JERUSALEM (AP) — A foreign submarine slipped into Israeli waters last week, cruising the coastline near Lebanon before being detected and departing, Israeli authorities said Monday.

The vessel belonged to a NATO member country and was detected during the night between Nov. 9-10, an Israeli military official told The Associated Press while speaking on condition of anonymity.

Israeli defenses spotted the vessel just inside Israeli territorial waters about 12 miles off the northern coast, the army official said.

Israeli Army Radio said the sub was in the area of Nahariya, a northern Israeli coastal town near the border with Lebanon. The official army statement gave no details of the precise time or location of the incident.

“The navy spotted and tracked last week an underwater target which was identified as a submarine,” a military spokeswoman said. “After it was spotted and tracked, the submarine left.”

On Nov. 7, a pilotless drone aircraft flew from Lebanon into Israel north of Nahariya and filmed reconnaissance pictures for 20 minutes before flying back across the border, according to the militant Shiite Islamic group Hezbollah, which said it sent the drone.

Israeli military officials said at the time that Hezbollah got the drone from Iran, its major patron, and an enemy of Israel.

3,677 posted on 11/15/2004 5:57:13 PM PST by JellyJam (Headline of the year: "The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists Are Muslims!")
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To: Velveeta

"Specific" in the sense that the verbiage in the video indicated that type of weapon rather than bio, chem, or radiological.

The effects described by UBL are either nuclear specific or massive use of high explosives such as fuel-air. But the wording is more easily rendered as a nuclear threat.

Perhaps it is an empty threat, but that would be an extremely dangerous assumption to make.


3,686 posted on 11/15/2004 6:20:16 PM PST by callmejoe
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To: Velveeta

From the UBL transcript:

"to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen to the furthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer"

to provoke and bait this administration. (to have us give them the pretext for an attack)

All that we have to do is to send two Mujahideen (UBL and Zawahiri)

to the furthest point East ("Khorasan" means "where the sun rises" = the East)

to raise a piece of cloth (dressed like a cleric from Mashad)

on which is written al-Qaida (broadcast to the world on video)

in order to make the generals race there (provoke an invasion of a nuclear Iran)

to cause America to suffer (to give us more pretext for our nuclear attack)


3,695 posted on 11/15/2004 6:51:14 PM PST by callmejoe
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