[lahargis]

"River of Red" could just be giving reference to the "red states."

Of course, if that were the case, they have a lot of work to do.

[jerseygirl]

My guess---rivers of blood- like that image they had of NYC with blood running out through the streets....not sure if that was the one with the pic of the gassed people, as well.

Wish I could stay on today! Have to rake up the leaves!

[lahargis]

Everything I found with reference to f17: (besides what was already discussed)

ECAN F17 torpedo (used by Pakistan and Spain also)
STORING OR DISTRIBUTING GASES OR LIQUIDS
Sundance F17 Skiff
Swedish military
British Airways has an F17 airliner?(This one is a message board - 3rd message down. I would like to verify this one.)

...looking for more.