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Threat Matrix: Daily Terror Threat - Thread Twenty-One

Posted on 11/03/2004 12:20:59 AM PST by nwctwx

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This is not all of the article, and I didn't see the part of history, that Clinton made, When he signed the executive order about this time, said we would absorb the first strike, before we fired back. Yes, I found it, at a Univ. in Mich. Plus heard about it when he signed it.Read more. This is G o o g l e's cache of http://fox.rollins.edu/~tlairson/intro/PBSRUSROUL.HTML as retrieved on Nov 3, 2004 02:01:55 GMT. To link to or bookmark this page, use the following url: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:1ipzR4dqu-gJ:fox.rollins.edu/~tlairson/intro/PBSRUSROUL.HTML+%22Jupiter+Z%22+--+as+the+institute+was+called+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&client=googlet Google is not affiliated with the authors of this page nor responsible for its content. These search terms have been highlighted: jupiter z institute called FRONTLINE #1712K Air date: February 23, 1999 Russian Roulette Produced and Directed by Dan Chambers, June Cross, Sharon Tiller Written by June Cross Home Readings Syllabus Links Exercises NARRATOR: It was one of the most frightening moments since the end of the cold war, a moment that brought back old fears of the nuclear Armageddon. It began in the early morning hours of January 25, 1995. A Russian radar crew at the beginning of its shift suddenly spotted a fast-moving object above the Barents Sea at Russia's northern border, a missile they could not identify. BRUCE BLAIR, Brookings Institution: Any unidentified missile launch from the area of the Barents Sea always is treated seriously by the Russian military because that's an area in which U.S. Trident submarines are known to patrol. NARRATOR: At the Russian radar station, the crew now saw the missile suddenly separate into several sections, just as the multiple warheads of a Trident missile would. And their trajectory seemed to be carrying them toward Moscow. Col. ROBERT BYKOV (Ret.), Strategic Rocket Forces: [through interpreter] There was some alarm at the command post. These first five minutes caused quite an alarm. NARRATOR: In Moscow a signal went out to the nuclear briefcase that always accompanies President Boris Yeltsin and top defense officials. BRUCE BLAIR: Russia has established a 10-minute deadline. They're supposed to detect an attack, assess it and reach a decision on retaliation all within a span of 10 minutes. NARRATOR: Now there were only a few minutes left in that countdown. Urgent radio contact was made with Russian nuclear submarine commanders. Col. ROBERT BYKOV: [through interpreter] Orders were given to go into a state of combat-readiness. BRUCE BLAIR: The military actually issued orders to the Strategic Forces to prepare to possibly receive the next command, which would have been the launch order. NARRATOR: For four minutes the Russian commanders waited for the orders to launch. ALEXANDER PIKAYEV, Russian Duma Defense Committee: The Russian strategic plans permit to launch Russian missiles before enemy missiles hit Russian territory. NARRATOR: Eight minutes after the alarm was first sounded, the decision to launch was averted, the mysterious objects fell into the sea, and the Russian forces stood down. Hours later the Russians learned that the unidentified object had actually been a scientific rocket launched from Norway to study the Northern lights. The Russian government had been notified weeks earlier that the launch was coming, but no one told the radar crew. Adm. STANSFIELD TURNER (USN Ret.), Former Director, CIA: They lost track of that notification, and it's my understanding that they got all the way to Mr. Yeltsin when they saw that rocket heading up into space, all the way with the codes saying "What do we do?" Now, that's dangerous! NARRATOR: In the U.S., nuclear experts are worried about much more than this one incident. They are troubled by what it says about the safety and security of the entire Russian nuclear arsenal. BRUCE BLAIR: This system is an accident waiting to happen. And given the adverse trends in Russian early warning and control - physical, organizational and human - I'm afraid that something will happen, and sooner rather than later. NARRATOR: When the cold war ended in 1991 with the collapse of the Soviet Union, there was euphoria in the streets. Russians and Americans were relieved that the dangerous nuclear era was over. But it wasn't that simple. Gen. EUGENE HABIGER (USAF Ret.), Former Commander, U.S. Nuclear Forces: The cold war was a bizarre war in many, many respects. It certainly didn't end like World War II, where people were kissing in the streets in Times Square. You know, after the Great War, the World War I, we demilitarized Germany, cut them off at the knees, took all their military forces and their equipment. After World War II, we did the same thing with the Japanese and Germans. But did we do the same thing when the cold war ended? No. When the cold war ended, we had the United States and the former Soviet Union and 12,000 nuclear weapons facing each other. NARRATOR: The nuclear arsenal of the former Soviet Union included thousands of strategic and tactical nuclear missiles, as well as a vast stockpile of bomb-grade uranium and plutonium. Sen. RICHARD LUGAR (R) Indiana: Any rational person who has any sense of geopolitics knew that a lot was at stake, including perhaps the future of our country, because all of these weapons were still there. The fact that the Soviet Union had broken up did not mean they could not be targeted, re-targeted, re-targeted again. NARRATOR: The Soviet arsenal had been spread out over 11 time zones, some of it now in three new nuclear states created by the collapse of the Soviet empire: Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine. ASHTON CARTER, Former Asst. Secretary of Defense: Had Ukraine kept the nuclear weapons that were on its territory when the music stopped and everybody sat down and the Soviet Union was over, they sat down with 2,000 nuclear weapons. That would have made them the third most powerful nuclear nation on earth. We thought that an event, an explosive event in the history of proliferation like that, right in the middle of Eurasia, was a very, very dangerous thing. NARRATOR: Senator Lugar and his colleague, Sam Nunn, led the American effort to convince leaders in the former Soviet republics to dismantle their new nuclear arsenals and send them back to Russia. Sen. RICHARD LUGAR: There was no particular objection to moving those missiles back into Russia, except for the fact that the people who lived around those missiles had very good housing. And in order to retain the housing, they were prepared to retain the missiles. This is, you know, a sort of a strange tail-and-dog story, but it was very serious. ASHTON CARTER: It's a jobs issue in Ukraine. Just like it's difficult to close bases in California, it's difficult to close bases in Ukraine. People are employed there. You have to take care of the people of the community. NARRATOR: The U.S. government helped dismantle the missiles, and then transported over 3,000 warheads out of Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. Since the cold war ended, America has spent over $2.5 billion to help secure the nuclear arsenal in the former Soviet Union. ASHTON CARTER: We were happy to do that in the Defense Department because that was- as far as we were concerned, was national defense- digging up missile silos, chopping up missiles, chopping up old bombers. In all of these ways, we were trying to contain the weapons of mass destruction legacy of the former Soviet Union. NARRATOR: But returning the nuclear weapons to Russia was only the first act in the American strategy. There was still an enormous nuclear establishment left in Russia itself, including an estimated 12,000 strategic nuclear bombs and warheads. MATTHEW BUNN, Former Science Adviser to President Clinton: The issue of the nuclear legacy of the Soviet Union covers an enormous range. You have an enormous number of warheads that are just in storage. And one has to worry about, are those warheads secure? Are they all accounted for? You have a gigantic stockpile of the essential ingredients of nuclear warheads - plutonium and highly-enriched uranium - located at dozens of facilities, literally hundreds of buildings, hundreds of tons of this material, when even a few kilograms of it - about this much - would be enough for a nuclear bomb. You have still on alert thousands of warheads on missiles that could be launched at any time. So one has to worry about the command and control for those missiles, making sure that it's impossible for anyone to launch those without authorization. NARRATOR: One of the keys to reducing that risk was the former Soviet Union's early-warning defense system. It consisted of eight radar centers, providing full coverage of the airspace around Soviet territory. If anything approached the Soviet Union, it would be spotted immediately. An extensive network of military satellites could then identify whether a launch had taken place anywhere in the world, confirming within seconds that an approaching object was a missile. This information was transmitted back to a network of radar ships that crisscrossed the earth's seas. They in turn relayed the information back to the General Staff Center in Moscow. But after the cold war, this sophisticated system fell into disrepair. In 1997, Alexander Pikayev, a member of the Defense Committee of the Russian parliament, conducted a survey of Russia's early-warning network. He became concerned when he found large gaps in its coverage. ALEXANDER PIKAYEV, Russian Duma Defense Committee: The problem is that after the Soviet collapse, some radar stations remained outside the Russian territory, and some of the newly independent states want to close them. NARRATOR: A key early-warning position was in Latvia, covering an area northwest of Russia. ALEXANDER PIKAYEV: This radar station covers a very important zone, which includes North Sea and some of Atlantic area, where British and, I believe, American submarines are on patrol. NARRATOR: But it was destroyed following Latvia's independence from the Russian Federation. Now a less sophisticated backup system provides far less accurate data. It's not just the ground-based early-warning systems that have deteriorated. Many of the military surveillance satellites have started to malfunction. Once there were nine, now there are only three. Most of the radar ships have been decommissioned. ALEXANDER PIKAYEV: There is less reliability in checking missile launches, and simultaneously there is more probability that- of misinterpretation of received data. NARRATOR: In the Norwegian rocket incident, the early-warning system had failed. Radar operators thought the rocket was heading south, towards them. It was actually heading in a northeast direction, away from Russia. The system is now so run down that it's hard to distinguish between airborne objects. ALEXANDER PIKAYEV: For example, just several birds could be imagined like a missile launch, and it could provoke a launch by mistake. The worst outcome could be a launch of missiles that could lead to destruction of several major urban centers in other nuclear powers, like the United States, Britain, France and China. NARRATOR: To lessen the chance of an accidental launch, the Clinton administration announced in September that it would be giving the Russians access to the U.S. early-warning radar system, a plan that would allow Russian officers to view the data inside U.S. command centers and feed that information directly to Moscow. ASHTON CARTER, Former Asst. Secretary of Defense: Well, we have this marvelous system that can detect any missile launch anywhere in the world 24 hours a day. Nobody else has that. The Russians don't have it, and there's no way they're going to be able to afford to have it. Yet we believe that they should have confidence that they would know in advance if anybody was launching a missile against them. NARRATOR: But the two sides are still negotiating over how to implement the plan. BRUCE BLAIR, Brookings Institution: I'm deeply concerned about the adverse trends that are undermining the performance of the Russian nuclear control and early-warning network. NARRATOR: Dr. Bruce Blair was a nuclear launch officer, and is a specialist in nuclear command and control. He is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. BRUCE BLAIR: I believe that there's an inherent risk in the operation of these nuclear arsenals, with thousands of warheads poised on missiles, ready for firing at a moment's notice and governed by a doctrine or a strategy of quick launch, of launch-on-warning. NARRATOR: In Russia, the decision to launch is made by the president via a modem briefcase never more than a few yards from his side. Although the president has the authority to launch, his decision can be vetoed by the Russian defense minister or the military's chief of staff. The modem briefcase was introduced in 1983. It was a direct response to the arrival of American Trident missile submarines in Norwegian waters. Instead of the previous 30 minutes, a missile would now just take 10 minutes to hit Moscow. Russian leaders needed to be able to respond more quickly. BRUCE BLAIR: The submarine threat grew in the eyes of the Russian planner, so that today they still require use of the nuclear briefcase so that the president or his successor can give permission to launch nuclear weapons immediately upon determining that Moscow is under attack. NARRATOR: Today that 10-minute countdown is still in effect, as it was during the Norwegian rocket crisis. During this time, military and political leaders would have to decide how to respond. At nine minutes to impact, operators in the early-warning centers try to confirm that a blip on their screens is a missile. At eight minutes, they contact the Central Command Center. A general there activates the three modem briefcases, which alert Russia's leaders. At seven minutes, the three leaders confer with the early-warning center, to confirm that Russia really is under attack. Six minutes: Before any decision is made, a special communications circuit is switched on, connecting military headquarters with mobile missile launchers, missile-carrying trains and submarines. By five minutes, the leaders need to have reached a decision. They transmit their orders, along with unblocking codes. At four minutes, a team of communicators just outside Moscow receives the orders and the unblocking codes and transmits them to missile commanders. At three minutes to impact, the missiles are brought out for launch. Under the safety procedures, officers in the field must confirm that their orders are genuine. At two minutes to impact, commanders use a safety key to activate the missile system. They also enter the unblocking codes. With one minute to go, the commanders await final authorization. If this doesn't arrive, the missile will not be launched. A nuclear holocaust is averted. If authorization does come through, the button is pressed. BRUCE BLAIR: These hair-trigger nuclear arsenals are inherently dangerous and, on the Russian side at least, becoming more dangerous because of the decline in early warning and control. So the obvious solution is to re-configure these arsenals so that it would take a long period of time to prepare them for launch. NARRATOR: It's called "de-alerting" - any steps that will lengthen the time it takes to launch a nuclear missile, from disconnecting the battery to the more drastic step of removing the warhead from the missile. Col. ROBERT BYKOV (Ret.), Strategic Rocket Forces: [through interpreter] This will make things considerably safer for humanity. It's a realistic and effective measure. But it must be done with mutual trust, as well as the presence of inspectors to oversee the removal of those parts. NARRATOR: In the past year, some Russians have been advocated de-alerting both the Russian and U.S. nuclear arsenals. The effort has been led by General Vladimir Dvorkin, a top adviser to the Russian Defense Minister. Gen. VLADIMIR DVORKIN (Ret.), Adviser to Russian Defense Minister: [through interpreter] The essence of the proposals is that there are a number of technical measures which prevent a fast launch of missiles. For example, one of them is that the gas generator can be separated from the cover of the silo. Then you can also remove on-board batteries and the fuel supply. Their removal is also a verifiable measure, and the missile would not fly anywhere unless the batteries and the fuel supply were returned. NARRATOR: But the Pentagon is skeptical of Russian proposals for de-alerting. [www.pbs.org: Read the debate on de-alerting] Gen. EUGENE HABIGER (USAF Ret.), Former Commander, U.S. Nuclear Forces: Those concepts are very difficult to verify. And once you get into things that you can't verify without very, very intrusive inspection protocols, then the uncertainty grows. INTERVIEWER: What do you mean? Gen. EUGENE HABIGER: If you could put those batteries back in without the other side knowing about it, and then all of a sudden coming up on the net saying, "Okay, what are you going to do now?" I mean, "We've got the batteries back in our missiles, and now we've got 2,000 warheads on alert. You've got two hundred? Get on your knees." NARRATOR: But other cold warriors, like former CIA director Admiral Stansfield Turner, author of a recent book on the problem, think de-alerting makes good sense. Adm. STANSFIELD TURNER: It's a troublesome thing that Russia, because its early-warning radar and other systems are not all in good shape, feels nervous. And we don't want them to feel nervous. We don't want them to feel on hair-trigger alert. So that's a reason I recommend we go away from hair-trigger alert, we renounce it right now. That will not necessarily make the Russians renounce it. But I can guarantee you, the Russians will not renounce it if we don't. NARRATOR: While de-alerting remains controversial, Russia and America did take a step they said would reduce the threat of nuclear war. In 1994, all missiles on both sides were de-targeted. The missiles' computers were given a new program, the "Zero Program." If any missile were launched by mistake or without authorization, it would now land in the middle of the sea. Pres. BILL CLINTON: For the first time since the dawn of the nuclear age, there are no Russian missiles pointed at the people of the United States. BRUCE BLAIR, Brookings Institution: The 1994 de-targeting agreement was entirely cosmetic and symbolic and had absolutely no effect on the combat readiness of U.S. and Russian nuclear forces or on the danger or risk of unauthorized or accidental or inadvertent use of those weapons. NARRATOR: The reality is that the original program with the cold war targets still remains in the computers. If either country decides to launch a nuclear attack, the system can be switched from the Zero Program to the cold war targets within minutes. ASHTON CARTER, Former Asst. Secretary of Defense: The analogy has frequently been made to changing the channel on a T.V., and it's not that different from that. So these missiles can be re-targeted. The importance of de-targeting was the gesture that two governments made to one another. But de-targeting by itself doesn't mean that bad things can never come from the fact that Russia still maintains a nuclear arsenal that was designed for us, and we maintain a nuclear arsenal that was designed for them. That danger remains, and de-targeting doesn't eliminate it. NARRATOR: American officials knew there would be no purely technological fix for the security problems of a system so subject to human miscalculation. So from the beginning, U.S. military officers reached out to Russian nuclear commanders. ASHTON CARTER: The other principal job we thought we had in dealing with the collapse of the Soviet Union was to establish a good cooperative relationship with the Russian military. And it was important to our security, which they could threaten, that the Russian military have some confidence in the U.S. military, and in the idea that we really had put the cold war behind us and didn't regard them as an enemy. NARRATOR: In 1993, Americans initiated an exchange program with their Russian counterparts. Top Russian nuclear commanders like General Igor Sergeyev, now the Russian defense minister, were shown top-secret nuclear sites off-limits to most Americans. Sergeyev would return for a second visit. Gen. EUGENE HABIGER (USAF Ret.), Former Commander, U.S. Nuclear Forces: So I showed him everything, to include the silos, took him into a nuclear weapons storage area. That's the first time that had ever been done, that a Russian had been taken into a nuclear weapons storage area. Now, I also wanted to show him the security because at that time there was a lot of talk about lacks, perhaps, in the Russian security of their nuclear weapons. So I was able to show him how we've applied a great deal of technology in our security practices, with the hopes that when he reciprocated and went back home - and invited me over - that I'd be able to see some of their facilities and perhaps put to rest their concerns in this country about Russian security of nuclear weapons. NARRATOR: In 1998 General Habiger, America's top nuclear commander, toured sites in Russia. These visits broke the code of cold war secrecy, and these officers found they were more alike than they had thought. Gen. VLADIMIR DVORKIN (Ret.), Adviser to Russian Defense Minister: [through interpreter] We learned a great deal about each other. We uncovered such characteristics about each other that it was difficult for us to understand our previous animosity. Gen. EUGENE HABIGER: The people who are involved in nuclear weapons are dedicated. They're professional. They understand the consequences if they don't do their jobs at the very best of their ability. When you get to know these people, you develop a level of confidence and trust. So when they look you in the eye and say "Okay, Habiger, what you're seeing is representative of our nuclear weapons storage sites," I believe them. NARRATOR: But other experts on the Russian military, like General William Odom, the former director of the National Security Agency, are skeptical of this new found trust in Russian officers. Gen. WILLIAM ODOM (USA, Ret.), Former Director, National Security Agency: Military officers from different countries, when they meet each other, tend to sort of fall in love, become mutual admiration societies at the expense of realities. If you want the honest truth about dealing with Russian generals, they're going to tell you what you want to hear, and what they think they can use to wheedle something out of you. To say that you now trust the Russian military command-and-control system because some Russian general told you from the bottom of his heart that's the case, strikes me as most unrealistic. NARRATOR: But officers on both sides say that one of the reasons the Norwegian rocket launch did not develop into a serious crisis was because of the trust that had developed between Russian and Western military officers Col. ROBERT BYKOV (Ret.), Strategic Rocket Forces: [through interpreter] Well, the incident was sorted out quite quickly because the communications between the commanding post with NATO and Washington is quite good. And so this incident only illustrated yet another time that there's a need for precise coordination of the actions of countries who are potential enemies so that they do not scare each other. NARRATOR: Despite all of Washington's programs to secure the Russian nuclear arsenal, the failures of the Russian economy since the end of the cold war have inevitably led to deterioration of vital infrastructure in the command�_and-control systems. Colonel Robert Bykov was an officer in the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces for over 30 years. He is concerned by the lack of safeguards in launching missiles. At the age of 19 he, like the brightest boys of his generation, was chosen to enter the elite Strategic Rocket Forces. Col. ROBERT BYKOV: [through interpreter] You know, at first I really didn't want to leave the Moscow Aviation Institute. We were students. But the homeland needed special new men: missile operators. On the whole, we were proud of having been chosen. NARRATOR: In the 1950s, he and his peers helped design new missiles and create launch systems. Later Bykov was part of the General Staff Center in Moscow. He retired in 1990 and spends his time investigating problems in the Strategic Rocket Forces. His reports, published in the Russian press, have made him unpopular. He fears for his safety, and lives behind three metal doors. But he says his loyalty to the Strategic Rocket Forces means he can't watch the missile launch systems deteriorate without speaking out. Col. ROBERT BYKOV: [through interpreter] They put a lot of money toward the development of the systems. They paid a lot of attention to this. And there were enough personnel. Sometime around when Gorbachev came to power, drastic cuts in the military began. NARRATOR: The cuts meant there was little money for maintenance and none for modernization. The equipment began to suffer. BRUCE BLAIR, Brookings Institution: The entire command communications and computer network that control nuclear forces have aged beyond their expected lifespans and need to be overhauled or replaced, and that's not happening. And so there is reportedly an increasing frequency of false signals transmitted for no apparent reason. NARRATOR: These false signals can wreak havoc with the computer systems. Col. ROBERT BYKOV: [through interpreter] In the lower levels of the army, the regiments and divisions, there were one or two incidents of switching into combat mode. NARRATOR: There is a special communications link with Moscow that is inactive until a launch sequence begins. Computer malfunction has activated this link in several cases. But this just scratches the surface of much deeper problems in Russia's computer network. What the Pentagon is really worried about is the impact of the Y2K bug and whether it will cause a massive failure in the Russian nuclear computer systems. JOHN HAMRE, Deputy Secretary of Defense: [press conference] We have to understand that they are a very different situation. They have come to this much later. They haven't had- the country's going through some fairly profound changes, and so they haven't had the central focus. It's only been about a year that they've had an office that was really trying to work this problem. NARRATOR: Last month the Russian government made an urgent request to Washington for help with its Y2K problem. They said it would take $3 billion to fix. BRUCE BLAIR: How close has Russia slipped to the edge of a failure, a serious catastrophic failure of command and control? It's really not possible to calculate, but we know the trends are adverse. And we know, I believe, that it's only reasonable that the command system cannot endure this stress and strain indefinitely. Gen. WILLIAM ODOM (USA, Ret.), Former Director, National Security Agency: I don't know how one would verify these propositions that because deterioration takes place in a command-and-control system, that there is a greater chance. It could be that deterioration means it's almost virtually impossible to launch because the systems don't work. Lack of maintenance of nuclear weapons for a few months means that a number of them, a larger, increasing number, will not explode if launched. So I think a strong argument can be made that neglect is reducing the threat. NARRATOR: But in the past few months, the problems in Russia have deepened. Since the Russian government defaulted on its foreign loans and devalued the ruble in August, the Russian economy has been in freefall. The Russian military and its elite nuclear rocket forces are now suffering unprecedented hardships. Officers often go without pay for many months. There is a severe housing shortage, and in the last five years the suicide rate in the army has quadrupled... Col. ROBERT BYKOV: [through interpreter] A man is only a man. At times he may have disturbances in his mental state. He may be tired, he may be depressed at times, and often his behavior can be unpredictable. And he's thinking, how is he going to go home with no money to give his family to buy food for the table? And with these thoughts, he's sitting at an extremely important post, at the nuclear button. NARRATOR: Money is scarce at missile bases. The bills often go unpaid, and it's common for the heating to be turned off. MATTHEW BUNN, Former Science Adviser to President Clinton: Although Russia has been in difficult economic times before, the situation since August has just been drama
4,101 posted on 11/17/2004 2:38:53 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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Did you see the thread on the communists, that worked for CIA? It was posted a day or so ago.

this was interesting, in that the suitcase bomb, will be able
to parachute and float, till set and it explodes.

Reminds me of the scuba Divers we worked on.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/russia/suitcase/


4,102 posted on 11/17/2004 2:43:35 PM PST by nw_arizona_granny (On this day your Prayers are needed!!!!!!!)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

setting placemark and signing off

nite everyone. stay safe.


4,103 posted on 11/17/2004 3:23:23 PM PST by appalachian_dweller (Threat Level: HIGH -- Basic list of survival gear @ my FR Homepage)
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To: All

The saga continues in N. Korea.
Posted on 11/17/2004 3:06:16 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo
North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il is shown (obviously alive) on North Korean last night, (Korean time), on 17 November 2004, recently inspecting (date unclear) the North Korean Peoples Army "Unit 754". However, as South Korean TV reporters from YTN-TV in the voice-over in this clip note, the traditional Korean-language title of "Great Leader" is absent from the usual script.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1282396/posts?page=20#20


4,104 posted on 11/17/2004 3:36:56 PM PST by Godzilla ( I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.)
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I agree with you that there seems to be little to go on.


4,105 posted on 11/17/2004 3:46:12 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: nw_arizona_granny

I remember going to etext.org last year on your recommendation.

For some reason it's timing out on me at the moment, so I'll try again later.


4,106 posted on 11/17/2004 3:48:02 PM PST by Velveeta
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Terrorism Summary 11/17/04

Bombing at banks in Argentina. Terrorists in Iraq try to spread coalition forces thin by initiating attacks in Mosul and other cities. Terrorists in Falloujah decimated with a few pocket remaining. Rumblings of problems in N. Korea, is Kim on the way out? Islamic terrorists continue their push jihad across the world. Let me know if you want on or off the Ping list.

11/17/04 Current National Homeland Defense threat level is YELLOW

1. Attack threat windows
11/17/04 Primary Window: High concern over possible attack by al-Qaeda within 60 days of 29 Oct. OBL video. However, nothing specific to the US and the message calls for attacks in Afghanistan and Pakistan (see #2 below). This is inclusive of much of the Nov 24 - Jan 1 - Thanksgiving / Christmas Holiday season.
10/23/04 Secondary windows:
January 20, 2005 - Presidential inauguration
Feb. 6 Super Bowl in Jacksonville, Fla.

2. Attack Indicators
11/16/04 In what could be from the anticipated video from OBL, a web statement purportedly from the al-Qaida chief called on Pakistani Muslims to fight, saying their country and neighboring Afghanistan faced an American invasion. The authenticity of the statement, which appeared Tuesday on a website linked to Muslim radicals, could not be verified. "We urge our Muslim brothers in Pakistan to use all their capabilities and whatever they possess to prevent the American crusader's troops from invading Pakistan and Afghanistan," said the statement, signed: "your brother in Islam, Osama bin Laden."
http://www.trackingterrorism.com

11/16/04 In addition to chatter about the Falloujah battle, there have been some discussions about a nuclear attack appearing on some jihadi forums. ACSA has also issued an alert that an nuclear attack is expected within the next 3 months. The credibility of this chatter and alerts is questionable, however, AQ has repeatedly stated it desires nuclear weapons.

3. Current Terrorist Operations

Al-Qa'ida
11/15/04 A key al-Qaeda operative seized in Pakistan recently offered an alarming account of the group's potential plans to target the U.S. with weapons of mass destruction. Sharif al-Masri, an Egyptian who was captured in late August near Pakistan's border with Iran and Afghanistan, has told his interrogators of "al-Qaeda's interest in moving nuclear materials from Europe to either the U.S. or Mexico," according to a report circulating among U.S. government officials.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101041122-782068,00.html

Iraq
11/15/04 Prime Minister Ayad Allawi's office confirmed that two of his female relatives who were kidnapped last week have been released. Allawi's cousin, Ghazi Allawi, 75, his cousin's wife and his cousin's pregnant daughter-in-law were abducted at gunpoint last Tuesday in western Baghdad's Yarmouk neighborhood. "Yes, yes, the two women were released yesterday," said an Allawi spokesman who declined to be named. There was no word on the cousin, Ghazi Allawi.
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041115/D86CATL00.html

Iran
11/15/04 Trying to rally Muslim countries for regional cooperation, Iran's intelligence minister Ali Younessi said that Israel and the U.S. are threatening them with terrorism. Iran has been under the threat of U.S.-backed U.N. sanctions because of its nuclear program, which the U.S. believes is a cover for the development of atomic weapons. Iran told the International Atomic Energy Agency on Sunday that it would fully suspend its uranium enrichment program -- the core issue under debate. Enriched uranium can be used in civilian nuclear programs, but it also is needed for atomic weapons.
http://www.cnsnews.com//ThisHour.asp#US,%20Israel%20Called%20a%20Terror%20Threat%20to%20Muslim%20Countries

11/15/04 The leader of a militant group involved in beheading hostages and other attacks has been arrested and the group was broken up, Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi said Monday. Allawi identified the group as Jaish Muhammad, Arabic for Muhammad's Army. The group "has been arrested ... We arrested their leader," Allawi said, identifying him as Moayad Ahmed Yasseen, also known as Abu Ahmed.
Muhammad's Army was known to have cooperated with Jordanian terror mastermind Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and al-Qaida and Saddam loyalists and was responsible for killing and beheading a number of Iraqis, Arabs and foreigners in Iraq Allawi said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041115/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_arrests

Argentina
11/17/04 Three banks in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were rocked by explosions on Wednesday, killing at least one person, Reuters news service reported. The explosions struck two separate Citibank branches, killing a security guard. Another bomb went off at a branch of Banco Galicia, an Argentine bank, according to Reuters. It wasn't immediately clear whether the blasts were carried out by an international terrorist network such as Al Qaeda, or by local groups. Citibank has been named in Al Qaeda documents as a target for attacks.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138815,00.html

N. Korea
This somehow has not hit the radar of the media. The demise or overthrow of Kim could have some positive effects or drastically destabilize the area depending upon who takes over control of the country. – Godzilla

11/17/04 Posted on 11/17/2004 3:06:16 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo edit by Godzilla
North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il is shown (obviously alive) on North Korean last night, (Korean time), on 17 November 2004, recently inspecting (date unclear) the North Korean Peoples Army "Unit 754". However, as South Korean TV reporters from YTN-TV in the voice-over in this clip note, the traditional Korean-language title of "Great Leader" is absent from the usual script.

11/17/04 Posted on 11/17/2004 12:50:28 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo, edited by Godzilla
Report from Sankei (Japanese) newspaper (conservative) coming in. Said that a number of hand made circulars have been circulating widely around North Korea (Pyongyang, Nampo, Chonjin, Sinuiju), etc. The flyers are by an underground anti-Kim Jong-il group active in North Korea. Sankei says they support the defector Hwang Jang Yop, who is now in South Korea.
There are several flyers which counter the common DPRK Party myths and deifications about Kim Jong-il, showing Kim as a spoiled aristocrat rather that a man of the people, with the Russian nickname "Yura" who did not even grow up nor was born in North Korea. Driving wedges between Kim and the starving people, commenting on the rich food he eats while people starve. Saying the "Chuche" Ideology of the North is a big farce which merely enslaves the Korean people. Another underground flyer (again hand written and many copies run off) that is making the rounds in North Korea says "Kim Jong-il killed his father Kim il-Sung".
Sankei reports the North Korean Secret Police is mobilizing in an attempt to find out who is doing this. The flyers also contain detailed personal information on Kim Jong-il that only those in select positions would know. Accordingly, north Korean defectors theorize that these flyers are gaining some cooperation from some people in positions of power in the NK military or Party.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20041118-00000000-san-int

11/16/04 Pictures of North Korean ruler Kim Jong Il are being removed from public places in Pyongyang and other parts of country. No word so far on who gave the order or its meaning.
A Moscow diplomacy source also said, “The removal of Chairman Kim Jong Il’s pictures from public places is well known among foreigners living in Pyongyang, and diplomats of each country are working on understanding the meaning of this.” He conveyed, “Opinions like ‘unsound health,’ that Chairman Kim recently got an operation, and an “internal conflict for power” are spreading, but none has been confirmed.”
http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=060000&biid=2004111718248 ^

11/16/04 Hardliners have tightened their political grip on North Korea while Kim Jong Il, the Stalinist state dictator, has retreated into virtual seclusion after the death of his favorite consort from cancer. Chinese and Western sources say the regime has prepared for a state of siege as it confronts a re-elected US Administration under George W. Bush that is determined to break Pyongyang and disarm it of nuclear weapons.
As Japanese envoys tried to persuade North Korea last week to rejoin multinational talks, Mr. Kim's absence from the scene led to speculation that a debilitating power struggle might have paralyzed the ruling group. The meetings followed the death of Koh Youg-hee, a dancer who had provided Mr. Kim with an heir apparent to the world's only communist dynasty.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11387512^2703,00.html

Pakistan
11/17/04 An Islamic militant wanted in connection with the murder of American Journalist Daniel Pear was killed in a shootout with police, according to Pakistani authorities on Wednesday, who also announced the arrest of a suspect in the deadly bombing near the U.S. Consulate in Karachi two years ago.
Interior Minister Aftab Khan Sherpao said authorities arrested Naveed-ul Hasan, an alleged member of the outlawed militant group Harkat-ul-Mujahedeen al-Alami. Sherpao said that Hasan was wanted for the suicide bombing near the U.S. Consulate in Karachi that killed 14 Pakistanis in June 2002, and another smaller blast during New Year's celebrations 2002 at a popular club in the city that wounded at least nine people.
Earlier Wednesday, police in Karachi announced the death of Asim Ghafoor, wanted in the January 2002 kidnapping and killing of Pearl who was killed in a shootout with police and intelligence agents as they tried to arrest him at a hideout in the west of the city.
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBOXJQ0O1E.html

11/15/04 Pakistani military says Osama bin Laden is nowhere to be found in its South Waziristan border region as government forces battle tribal fighters and foreign militants in the area. The South Waziristan assault was aimed at capturing militant leader Abdullah Mehsud and his followers. The army claims it has taken over a few militant strongholds, and seized a weapons cache. But no clues of bin Laden or his deputies were found.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-11/15/content_2221222.htm

Israel
11/16/04 The interim Palestinian leader, Mahmoud Abbas, has asked Palestinian militants to halt violence during the campaign for Jan. 9 presidential elections, a participant in truce talks said Tuesday. Abbas is trying to work out a deal with rival Palestinian groups on a cease-fire and possible power-sharing.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138724,00.html

11/15/04 Palestinians protect new Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas(C) as gun shots are fired after he arrived to accept condolences for Yasser Arafat in Gaza, November 14, 2004. Palestinian militants burst into the mourning tent on Sunday and fired shots in protest at the presence of his moderate successor Abbas, but he was unhurt witnesses said.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/041114/photos_wl/mdf75640

Germany
11/16/04 Islamic preachers in Germany have been told that they may be ordered to deliver their sermons in German rather than in Arabic in an attempt to halt racist diatribes The move reflects Berlin’s fears that a spark of ethnic and religious unrest could leap from the Netherlands to Germany, a country with more than three million Muslims.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1361943,00.html

Belgium
11/17/04 A Belgian senator of Moroccan origin, known for her criticism of conservative traits within immigrant Muslim communities, has gone into hiding after receiving death threats, officials said Wednesday. Bousakla last week criticized the Belgium's Muslim executive for not condemning the attack. "Because of the murder of Theo van Gogh, the executive should have protested and called on the Muslims to criticize the attack. Instead it did nothing," she was quoted as saying on her web site. Over the weekend, an unknown caller threatened "to ritually slaughter her" and she took the threat seriously enough to warn police, the official said.
http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBP8NVBN1E.html

Spain
11/15/04 AN Islamic extremist cell uncovered in Barcelona provided finance for an alleged al-Qa'ida kingpin in Pakistan indicted in the murder of US journalist Daniel Pearl, it was claimed yesterday.
The Pakistani cell, which Spanish police smashed in September, had this year sent money orders of €3000 ($5050) each to Amjad Farooqi, who was killed in an encounter in Pakistan with security forces that month, according to the Spanish newspaper El Pais. El Pais said the Barcelona group had also sent money to Farooqi associates allegedly involved in al-Qaeda attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11395458^401,00.html

Russia
11/15/04 The Prosecutor's Office in Russia's Ulyanovsk Region, on the Volga River, has instructed a district court to conduct criminal proceedings against a group of Islamic militants suspected of a whole number of serious crimes. According to Vasily Zima, senior assistant to the Ulyanovsk Prosecutor, eight members of the group have been arrested. They are facing charges of banditry, kidnapping, illegal possession of firearms, munitions and explosive devises, instigation of interethnic hatred and religious strife, robbery, and murder, among others.
The detainees include local residents, as well as from the neighboring republics of Chuvashia, Tatarstan, and Daghestan. One of them, Lev Selendeyev, worked at a district police department in Ulyanovsk, Mr. Zima said. The Prosecutor's assistant said the gang had been involved with the distribution of Wahhabist literature and video materials debasing Christians and Jews, as well as non-radical Moslems.
http://en.rian.ru/rian/index.cfm?prd_id=160&msg_id=5088155&startrow=1&date=2004-11-15&do_alert=0

Saudi Arabia
11/17/04 One security officer was martyred while eight of his comrades were injured" during a shootout at a house in Al-Qadissiyah quarter in the town of Unayzah, 370 kilometers (230 miles) north of Riyadh. Five men were arrested, "two of whom are wanted for security-related matters and belong to the deviant group," SPA said, using a term referring to Al-Qaeda sympathizers in Saudi Arabia. The security squad found a cache of weapons in the house, including machine guns, pistols, grenades and ammunition, the official said.
www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=11910

11/16/04 Al Qaeda militants have defied a crackdown and the loss of senior leaders in Saudi Arabia by using the Internet to win over new recruits in Osama bin Laden's birthplace. Despite the killing of top contributors, including one of its leading Web magazine editors Issa Saad bin Oshan, the group has continued to publish its two widely distributed magazines regularly for the past year.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsArticle.jhtml?type=internetNews&storyID=6825416&section=news

Netherlands
11/17/04 Minister Verdonk (Immigration) has declared a 38 year old Algerian as unwanted foreigner last week and expelled him to Spain. The Algerian is A.B., a man who was suspect before of recruiting jihad warriors in the Netherlands. B. had a Spanish residence permit and is therefore handed over to Spanish authorities. A.B. was found innocent because according to the judge the Justice department had arrested and prosecuted him illegally based on information from the AIVD (intelligence service). But according to Verdonk he was a threat to society. She bases this on information from the AIVD that the man had extremist sympathies and has called on several meetings for violence against Westerns and especially Dutch.
http://nu.nl/news.jsp?n=443571&c=11

11/16/04 The Danish section of the fundamentalist Islamic organization Hizb ut-Tahrir has called on Muslims to go to Iraq and fight a holy war against American forces there. In a leaflet handed out in a mosque in a suburb of Copenhagen and dated 8th November, the organization urges Danish Muslims to go and “help your brothers in Fallujah and wipe out your rulers if they get in your way”. Furthermore the leaflet accuses Iraq’s interim Prime Minister, Iyad Allawi, of being a traitor and threatens soldiers in the Iraqi army with hell if they don’t turn their weapons against the Americans.
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/fremmedsprog/English/article.jhtml?articleID=214163

11/16/04 Three members of so-called Hofstad group, which has been linked to the murder of filmmaker Theo van Gogh earlier this month were arrested June 11 and deported from Portugal just before the Euro 2004 football championship in June on suspicion of planning an attack. It is suspected that the group wanted to target former prime minister Jose Manuel Barroso as well as other international figures who were in Oporto for Euro 2004 opening festivities.
The three men possessed a second-hand car with Dutch licence plates which had been bought in the name of van Gogh's alleged killer, Mohammed Bouyeri, and had made daily withdrawals of small amounts of cash from a bank at the airport. Among the three men was El Fahtni Noreddine, a Moroccan national who at one point shared a flat in Amsterdam with Bouyeri, who holds both Moroccan and Dutch citizenship, he added.
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/041115/1/3ojgy.html

11/15/04 Two suspected Islamic extremists arrested this week are suspected of plotting to assassinate two Dutch lawmakers known for their critical stance towards Islam, the Dutch press reported. One of the deputies targeted was Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a liberal lawmaker of Somali origin who co-wrote a film about the place of women in Islam along with Theo van Gogh, the outspoken filmmaker who was murdered by a suspected Muslim radical on November 2, the NRC Handelsblad reported. The suspects, who were arrested Wednesday in a police raid in The Hague, also intended to kill Geert Wilders, a deputy highly critical of Islam who intends to launch a new, staunchly right-wing, party, the report said.
http://www.internet-haganah.us/harchives/003099.html

Britain
11/15/04 Police and intelligence agencies had prevented international terrorists from striking Britain by disrupting planned attacks, the head of London's police said today. However, the minister in charge of law enforcement said the threat of a terrorist attack in Britain remained.
In late March police arrested six men and seized 600kg of potential bomb-making fertilizer. The men have been charged with conspiring to cause an explosion and their trial is tentatively set for September.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11389251%255E1702,00.html

China
11/15/04 Two neighboring villages, Nanren and Weitang, which have co-existed peacefully for centuries - but where, earlier this month, martial law was abruptly declared after a row over a traffic accident escalated into pitched battles that left 148 people dead. The eruption of conflict between Hui Muslims and their Han Chinese neighbors escalated and Chinese troops sealed off the villages to prevent other militants coming to the aid of their fellow Muslims and stop the fighting spreading across China.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/11/14/wchin14.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/11/14/ixworld.html

United States
11/15/04 Two American Jewish leaders say they are "disgusted and outraged" by threats of violence made against Presbyterian Churches. Last week, the Presbyterian Church (USA) said it had received a letter threatening arson attacks on its churches for its "anti-Israel and anti-Jewish attitudes."
http://www.cnsnews.com/Nation.asp

4. Attack method.
11/17/04 No real change in the preferred method of choice of AQ which are bombs - the bigger the better. With the exception of 9/11, car/truck bombs have been widely used. There are special concerns regarding the use by terrorists of the following types of vehicles:

1. Uhaul type cargo trucks.
2. Gasoline / Propane supply / tanker trucks.
3. Emergency vehicles (ambulances, police cars, fire trucks)

Current alerts out for two stolen fuel/tanker trucks, a stolen crop duster and about a hundred propane tanks. It is uncertain if the thefts are linked to terrorism at this time, however they could be adapted for use in a terrorist attack.

There a rumors again regarding nuclear or dirty bomb attack, however a nuclear attack is unlikely.

5. Personnel
11/17/04 Nothing new to report.

6. Significant meetings canceled:
11/17/04 No new cancellations.

7. Security has been heightened in specific cities
11/17/04 NYC is at a locally declared ORANGE where it had been since. 9/11/01.

GENERAL: Ongoing work to upgrade security at sea ports and airports.

8. Military operations.
11/17/04 Carrier Battle Groups
Deployed
CV-67 Kennedy 25 Jul 2004 - Persian Gulf
CVN-75 Truman 12 Nov 2004 - Red Sea
CVN-72 Lincoln 10 Nov 2004 - Pacific Ocean
Surge Ready
CVN-70 Vinson 02 Oct 2004 - Completes COMPTUEX
CVN-73 Washington Surge carrier until ~Dec04
Basic Training
CVN-68 Nimitz 29 Oct 2004 - Pacific Ocean

11/17/04 F-117s are still reported to be deployed in S. Korea.

9. Dept of Homeland Scty. / State Department
11/17/04 Travel Warning
United States Department of State
Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, DC 20520
This information is current as of today, Wed Nov 17 07:37:04 2004.
Yemen
November 16, 2004
This Travel Warning is being issued to provide updated security information for Yemen. This supersedes the Travel Warning for Yemen issued on May 11, 2004.
The Department of State warns U.S. citizens to consider carefully the risks of traveling to Yemen. The security threat to all U.S. citizens in Yemen remains high due to continuing efforts by Al-Qa'ida to re-constitute an effective operating base. This could lead to possible attacks by extremist individuals or groups against U.S. citizens, facilities, businesses and perceived interests. From time to time the Embassy may temporarily close or suspend public services for security reasons. Emergency assistance to U.S. citizens during non-business hours (or when public access is restricted) is available through Embassy duty personnel.
http://travel.state.gov./travel/yemen_warning.html

11/15/04 Travel Warning
United States Department of State
Bureau of Consular Affairs
Washington, DC 20520
This information is current as of today, Mon Nov 15 2004 15:04:31 GMT-0800. Afghanistan
November 15, 2004
This Travel Warning provides updated information on the security situation in Afghanistan and on the upcoming Afghan presidential inauguration events. The security threat to all American citizens in Afghanistan remains critical. This Travel Warning supersedes the Travel Warning for Afghanistan issued July 30, 2004.
The Department of State strongly warns U.S. citizens against travel to Afghanistan. There is an ongoing threat to kidnap and assassinate U.S. citizens and non- Governmental organization (NGO) workers throughout the country. The ability of Afghan authorities to maintain order and ensure the security of citizens and visitors is limited. Remnants of the former Taliban regime and the terrorist al-Qaida network, and other groups hostile to the government, remain active. U.S.-led military operations continue. Travel in all areas of Afghanistan, including the capital Kabul, is unsafe due to military operations, landmines, banditry, armed rivalry among political and tribal groups, and the possibility of terrorist attacks, including attacks using vehicular or other Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs ), and kidnapping. The security environment remains volatile and unpredictable.
http://travel.state.gov/travel/afghanistan_warning.html

10. Suspicious Domestic Incidents Not Currently Linked to Specific Terrorism Attempts
11/17/04 Authorities evacuated three San Diego courthouses Tuesday after law enforcement officials in three states were told that explosives had been planted in the buildings. Searches found no explosives.
The threats from an anonymous caller or callers were made to authorities in Maine, Rhode Island and Washington state and then relayed to police in San Diego, said Chris Saunders, a spokesman for the San Diego County Sheriff's office
http://www.sierratimes.com/04/11/17/Calls_received_in_three_states_lead_to_Calif._court_evacuations.htm

11/16/04 Investigators believe the bright yellow Buxton Oil truck, carrying 3,000 gallons of home heating oil, was taken sometime on Friday. Owner Donna Buxton said she also is worried the tanker might be used for terrorism. Buxton said she and other fuel oil dealers received a letter from the government after the 9/11 attacks warning that terrorists were looking to steal fuel trucks.
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=54355

11/16/04 A Falls Church man who worked as a federal informant on terrorism set himself on fire in front of the White House yesterday, hours after announcing his suicide attempt and citing his growing despondency over how the FBI managed his case. Mohamed Alanssi, 52, approached the northwest guardhouse on Pennsylvania Avenue about 2:05 p.m. and asked the security detail to deliver a note to President Bush. When uniformed Secret Service officers turned him away, he stepped about 15 feet from the guard post and used a lighter to ignite his jacket, according to the U.S. Park Police.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A51575-2004Nov15?language=printer

4,107 posted on 11/17/2004 3:50:58 PM PST by Godzilla ( I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.)
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To: flutters

ping, does this work for you?


4,108 posted on 11/17/2004 3:51:33 PM PST by Godzilla ( I don't know what your problem is, but I'll bet it's hard to pronounce.)
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To: nw_arizona_granny

That's a fascinating site!

Did you see the Board of Directors?

http://www.nti.org/b_aboutnti/b1_board.html


4,109 posted on 11/17/2004 3:52:52 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Cindy

My pleasure.


4,110 posted on 11/17/2004 3:53:33 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: nw_arizona_granny

OMG I'M BLIND! AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!


4,111 posted on 11/17/2004 3:56:48 PM PST by cmsgop ( Who's High Pitch ?)
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To: Godzilla

Sure is heating up over in North Korea...


4,112 posted on 11/17/2004 3:58:54 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: nw_arizona_granny

Now I'm cross-eyed, but I read the whole article that you posted. LOL

Once again, choice words, (which would banish me from freepland) directed at Clinton...running through a TMers mind on this thread.


4,113 posted on 11/17/2004 4:12:38 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: cmsgop

Try this: :-)
http://fox.rollins.edu/~tlairson/intro/PBSRUSROUL.HTML


4,114 posted on 11/17/2004 4:16:26 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Godzilla

Thank you, as always, for the summary.


4,115 posted on 11/17/2004 4:17:00 PM PST by Velveeta
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To: Godzilla

Excellent summary. Thanks so much for putting it all together for everyone.


4,116 posted on 11/17/2004 4:35:48 PM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: Old Sarge; JohnathanRGalt; fullwave; ganeshpuri89; LayoutGuru2; All
ON TONIGHT....


CBS5.com: "SPECIAL REPORT: AL QAEDA ONLINE" (November 17, 2004) (Read More...)

4,117 posted on 11/17/2004 4:41:07 PM PST by Cindy
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To: appalachian_dweller

ad....you are welcome on the plate info.

Thank you in return for the clintoon info., I knew there were cutbacks; but I was unaware of the magnitude!

Thankfully with the enemies at the gate; we have President Bush to work in our best interests and make decisions that don't need approval from France, the EU or the UN. Although, the importance of our borders and illegals should be at the forefront for Homeland Security....today!


4,118 posted on 11/17/2004 4:54:04 PM PST by all4one (My thoughts and prayers are with our soldiers in Fallujah...and their families)
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To: Godzilla
lol I still got the original ping to the long post. You can go ahead and take me off the list. I keep up with the thread often enough so I won't miss when you do post an update.

Thanks for your work it is greatly appreciated!!!
4,119 posted on 11/17/2004 4:55:09 PM PST by flutters (God Bless The USA)
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To: All

The following text is an exact quote:
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http://www.internet-haganah.us/harchives/003124.html

November 16, 2004

Five jihad sites in Dallas down (for now?)

It appears as though the following jihadist websites have been removed by ThePlanet.Com in Dallas:


3asfh.com
fm-m.com
openforum.ws
saaid.net
islamic-block.org



We assume that it had something to do with this story, which aired last night on KTVT:


DALLAS SERVER COMPANY CARRIES ZARQAWI DEATH VIDEOS, TERRORIST WEBSITES
Posted by aaron at November 16, 2004 10:56 AM


4,120 posted on 11/17/2004 4:59:13 PM PST by Cindy
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