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UBL's message regarding security of "States"
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm ^ | Watching In Awe

Posted on 10/30/2004 8:13:47 AM PDT by watchinginawe

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Male presenter: ... he said that the similarity between the administration of Bush the father and the arab regimes said Bush learned so much from them during his visits.

OBL: We didn't find difficulty dealing with Bush and his administration due to the similarity of his regime and the regims in our countries. Whish half of them are ruled by military and the other half by sons of kings and presidents and our experience with them is long. Both parties are arrogant and stubborn and the greediness and taking money without right and that similarity appeared during the visits of Bush to the region while people from our side were impressed by the US and hoped that these visits would influence our countries. Here he is being influenced by these regimes, Royal and military. And was feeling jealous they were staying for decades in power stealing the nations finances without anybody overseeing them. So he transferred the oppression of freedom and tyranny to his son and they call it th e Patriot Law to fight terrorism. He was bright in putting his sons as governors in states and he didn't forget to transfer his experience from the rulers of our region to Florida to falsify elections to benefit from it in critical times.

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Male presenter: the final part of the message is that the security of the Americans depends on the policy that they execute despite the winner of the elections.

OBL: Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or Al Qaeda. Your security is in your hands. Each state that doenst mess with our security has automatically secured their security.

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Bolding for emphasis

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: obltape; terror
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To: freestyle
I thought it was a good point for a second, and then I thought about which state 9/11 happened to.

UBL spent considerable time explaining how the idea of attacking the "Towers" came to him in the 80's. He was attacking "Towers" then, now he is attacking "States".

UBL: I will be honest with you on the moment when the decision was taken to understand. We never thought of hitting the towers. But after we were so fed up, and we saw the oppression of the American Israeli coalition on our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind and the incidents that really touched me directly goes back to 1982 and the following incidents. When the US permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon with the assistance of the 6th fleet. In these hard moments, it occurred to me so many meanings I cant explain but it resulted in a general feeling of rejecting oppression and gave me a hard determination to punish the oppressors. While I was looking at the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it came to my mind to punish the oppressor the same way and destroy towers in the US to get a taste of what they tasted, and quit killing our children and women.

I think he is attempthing to divide us as a nation.

I have seen some of this division in this election, have you? I have seen some libs claim that if GWB is elected, then so be it. They will not have any compassion for those affected since the Nation is so blind and didn't heed F/911 and Kerry. Scary times.

21 posted on 10/30/2004 9:01:13 AM PDT by watchinginawe ("I AM THAT I AM."...God)
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To: watchinginawe

Yeah, in International law, each nation is a "state" in the terms that it's a nation state. The US is screwy compared with the rest of the world by referring to what most other countries would call "provinces" or something similar as states. So it's an error in the translation, as OBL surely means US states when talking about govoners and nation-states when talking about threats.


22 posted on 10/30/2004 9:02:27 AM PDT by Grn_Lantern
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To: AmericanInTokyo
be careful with translations; we are working across languages, cultures, and usages of various terms

Agreed. Unfortunately, the given translation is all we have to work with at the moment. We don't have the resources of the CIA.

23 posted on 10/30/2004 9:04:52 AM PDT by watchinginawe ("I AM THAT I AM."...God)
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To: Grn_Lantern
So it's an error in the translation, as OBL surely means US states when talking about govoners and nation-states when talking about threats.

I think my interpretation is possible. Do you think the tape was directed to many Nation States or the US? I think it was clearly to the US. I don't think he was threatening Australia and the UK in that tape.

24 posted on 10/30/2004 9:08:28 AM PDT by watchinginawe ("I AM THAT I AM."...God)
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To: watchinginawe
Thoughts?

Nuke that b*stard and his band of demented followers. Period.

25 posted on 10/30/2004 9:11:22 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (do not remove this tag under penalty of law.)
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To: livius
That seems strange considering all the varied governments in Italian history!

Of course you're right about the language translation, and there is also the matter of translating his views- a nutcase paranoid living underground- to reality.

I think all one can conclude from the tape is that he still doesn't like us.

26 posted on 10/30/2004 9:16:12 AM PDT by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: watchinginawe

It's possible, but I don't think it's likely. The Vienna Treaty on Treaty, the UN Charter, and most other international documents all refer to nations as "states." It's even possible OBL used the same arabic word when talking about the US-states and his other use of the word "states," but I've got to belive they mean two different things.

I mean, realistically, how would OBL know which US states were providing troops or whatnot and which weren't? We don't have Civil-War-esqu State based armies any more in the US, they're all mixed up.

And wasn't the whole "we won't harm states that don't harm us" thing right after he was talking about why Al-Q didn't hit Sweeden? If that's the case, that would suggest that "States" means nations, and not US states.


27 posted on 10/30/2004 9:21:24 AM PDT by Grn_Lantern
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To: Grn_Lantern

boy I just misspelled a lot of words...


28 posted on 10/30/2004 9:22:12 AM PDT by Grn_Lantern
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To: bray

Very good rant right on target.


30 posted on 10/30/2004 9:54:29 AM PDT by Ben Chad
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To: watchinginawe

> It seems clear to me that Osama is threatening specific states of the union, particularly Florida. <

No, Einstein, the term "state" means nation in this context.


31 posted on 10/30/2004 9:57:48 AM PDT by jaime1959
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To: jaime1959
No, Einstein, the term "state" means nation in this context.

Ugh. Stupid me. Why didn't that occur to me? [/sarcasm]

32 posted on 10/30/2004 10:22:46 AM PDT by watchinginawe ("I AM THAT I AM."...God)
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To: watchinginawe

> Ugh. Stupid me. Why didn't that occur to me? [/sarcasm]<

Cognitive limitations?

Why'd you ask the questions for then?


33 posted on 10/30/2004 10:28:30 AM PDT by jaime1959
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To: xkaydet65
My wife just pointed out to me a chronological oddity in OBL's tape. When he refers to Michael's Moore"s image of Bush reading after the attacks, he talks about it as if the attacks were still going on. He says the President read about goats instead of trying to save 50,000 of his countrymen from attack.The attack had already happened. OBL has to know that. Is this the signal in the message we orry about whenever these thing show up. Nad is the number 50000 a part of that signal?

The attacks were still going on. He was alerted to the second plane while he was in the classroom and the Pentagon and Pennsylvania had not happened yet. Taking a page straight from Michael Moore and Kerry and all their supporters, he made the reference to insinuate President Bush could have done something to stop it.

That is the meaning of what he said.

The meaning of the 50,000 is the approx number of people who were expected to be in the towers when the attack hit. It is a reference to the fact that the plan was to kill many many more than the 3000 (as we all knew that very day---remember?) that were.

34 posted on 10/30/2004 10:36:17 AM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: jaime1959
Why'd you ask the questions for then?

Help me out here. Which questions are you referring to? This one? These? You have me confused now.

35 posted on 10/30/2004 10:41:46 AM PDT by watchinginawe ("I AM THAT I AM."...God)
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To: watchinginawe
For what it's worth, this Iraqi blogger says to watch "in the next few days before or during the US election or even just after the election...a big attack with possible mass killing. It is likely that chemical plus conventional high explosives may be used. The after-math of the attack may take days to clear."

Hammorabi.Blogspot.com

"The Americans have to know one point only which is; if GWB lose the election the terrorists will declare victory and their attacks will get worse and their cells will sneak every where by two major ways. First is by nuclear mushroom like spread in ME and Africa while the second spread will be octopus like spread with long arms inside Europe and US."

"The terrorists fears GWB and will take a deep breath and expand if he is losing!"

GWB MUST WIN.

36 posted on 10/30/2004 10:53:29 AM PDT by ncdrumr
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To: cyncooper

But his particular mention is that the President left 50,o000 people in the towers to face the attacks. Those attacks had already happened. Moore's screed was to imply confusion and fear in the President that paralyzed his decision making. This, I think, is something different.


37 posted on 10/30/2004 11:23:08 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: xkaydet65

I see it as exactly what Moore was saying.

Moore and others have said President Bush could have "done something".

It didn't make any sense when they said it, either.


38 posted on 10/30/2004 12:32:01 PM PDT by cyncooper (And an angel still rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm)
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To: GnL

"Each state that doesn't mess with our security has automatically secured their security."

When reading the UBL transcript, I couldn't help but think of the scripture: "What does it profit a man if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul"? (Mark 8:36). If Americans really think that by leaving UBL and the other radical Muslims unchecked will buy us peace and security, they are sadly mistaken. We can bury our heads in the sand while that monster grows fatter and fatter and eventually swallows us, or we can FIGHT! I vote to re-elect President Bush and FIGHT!


39 posted on 10/30/2004 12:33:34 PM PDT by HomeFree
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To: HomeFree

"Each state that doesn't mess with our security has automatically secured their security."

Paging Neville Chamberlain


40 posted on 10/30/2004 12:52:14 PM PDT by Ben Chad
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