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To: Wallace T.

I'm all for exposing Soviet deception strategy. They've done nothing they haven't promised to do all along. But that will entail exposing deception and complicity on the part of our own, you know. I don't think most want to hear or go there.

It's moot at this point.




=== The laws of logic apply to all irrespective of ancestry.

Yes and to that I would add the laws of Conscience. This is just one reason that I have such a problem with the "War on Terror" being framed as a "War on Islam" when -- in fact -- Islamicist terrorists have about as much to do with most Muslims as the IRA does with Catholics or liberation theology does with Catholicism.

The fact of the matter is that -- with the exception of horrors inflicted by the Stalinist Saddam (a regime we put in power, you remember) the fanatical Leninist Iranian regime, or the terrorism inculcated by the Soviet Puppet Arafat, et al. -- it's the Muslim nations who've most consistently resisted the strongarming of the UN and the US to impose "Western" style rejection of God in the form of birth control and abortion.

In fact, that's the most heartbreaking bit for me where the demonization and DEHUMANIZATION of Muslims across the board in the name of Holy War is concerned. It's not just the way we wanted to muscle in and impose the materialism and vice of our "liberated" society on theirs. It's the way we sought to control their reproduction by excluding the Creator and demolishing the notion worldwide that "all men are created equal."

Yes, logic applies and anyone who applies the logic of the conscience knows well that something stinks to high heaven where this particular Holy War is concerned.


If we had really wanted to wage war on Terror, we'd have attacked it at its roots back in 1966 as the Soviet convened the Tri-Continental Conference and promised 1000% funding increases for the Terror Internationale whose first ring of training camps were situated on the same island as Gitmo.

But we were too busy sending our men a world away to die in ignominy and pick up cheap heroin habits from the very Chicoms we were appeasing behind the scenes by cranking the Golden Triangle out of China and stopping overflights of Burmese poppy fields.

If the government feels confident in drawing a connection between drug cash and terrorist funding, it's likely because Uncle Sam's been only too well aware the connection for over a generation.


But all that aside ... I still stand by my point that ancestry matters. I wish it mattered more in that Jews stayed closer to Father Abraham than the Democratic party or Christians kept to the spirit of the Sermon on the Mount or Muslims had the opportunity to realize that Mohammed was a Christian heretic (their veneration of the Virgin proof positive that landbridge back to their true home exists) and that they have more in common with true Christians than they'll ever have in common with the radicalized Islamicists which the Soviets have fostered and managed almost since the moment the Bolsheviks took control of poor Russia and accomplished with slaughter and terror basically the same deformation of a people the gramscian marxists have made fait accompli here with their march through the institutions ... particularly those religious.


106 posted on 10/29/2004 11:15:45 AM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: Askel5; Destro; A. Pole; MarMema; ninenot; GarySpFc; FormerLib; Cronos; The_Reader_David
Yes and to that I would add the laws of Conscience. This is just one reason that I have such a problem with the "War on Terror" being framed as a "War on Islam" when -- in fact -- Islamicist terrorists have about as much to do with most Muslims as the IRA does with Catholics or liberation theology does with Catholicism.

And on this point you are beyond all boundries of WRONG. Their very Holy Book directs them to this. Don't be such an apologist for the Islamics.

107 posted on 10/29/2004 11:20:50 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: Askel5

"liberation theology does with Catholicism."

For more on "Liberation Theology" in operation, see "Haiti: The Next Cuba?"...


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1260168/posts


113 posted on 10/29/2004 12:22:11 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: Askel5
Do you mean by "ancestry" a nation's historic religious beliefs rather than a person's lineage or genetic heritage? None of the Western European nations, with the possible exception of Ireland, can be considered Christian in 2004. Few Europeans attend church services nor understand the basic tenets of Catholicism or the Protestant denominations. The great-great-grandparents of today's Europeans were at least nominal Christians who attended church regularly and understood the basic doctrines of the Christian religion. Genetically (except where they have intermarried with nonwhite, non-European immigrants), they are the same people as were their ancestors. In terms of religion and worldview, they are much different.

I concur that there is much in Western civilization that is deplorable and that Muslims wisely disdain. However, in spite of our many flaws, the values of individualism, personal freedom, personal responsibility, the rule of law, and market economy that the United States represents are superior to either the oppression of Marxism or the medieval barbarism of militant Islam. To paraphrase one of the Hobbits in The Lord of the Rings, there are some things worth fighting for.

With regard to Islam, it is incorrect to call Muhammed a heretic. Historically, men such as Pelagius and Arius were heretics; they held to many core Christian beliefs, but deviated from orthodoxy in certain matters, such as the effects of Original Sin (Pelagius) or the character of the Trinity (Arius). However, Muhammed started an entirely new religion, rejecting the Substitutionary Atonement of Christ, the death, resurrection, and bodily ascension of Our Lord, His second coming, the Trinity, the role of the church, the Body of Christ, the abolition of the Mosaic law regarding sacrifices and diet, and the inerrancy and accuracy of the Bible. The proper word for Islam from a Christian standpoint is apostasy, not heresy.

I am aware that not all Muslims belong to the strictest wing of Islam. However, Muslims continually attacked lands where Christians lived. They conquered the Middle East and North Africa, subduing the Christians and either forcing their conversion, killing them, or reducing them to second class status. The much maligned Crusades were merely an attempt by Western European Christians to regain lands lost to the Star and Crescent centuries earlier. Until the 17th Century, when European technology gave the West an insuperable advantage, the Muslims made numerous attempts to conquer and subdue Europe. It was the sword, and not the Word, that brought much of the world under the sway of Islam.

Militant Islam, as much as Marxism, is the enemy of civilization. There is evidence that indicates that the American and Western European Left, and possibly Russia and China as well, are in tacit alliance with the jihadists. If the Aryan supremacists of Germany and the Japanese chauvinists of Nippon cooperated, there is no reason to think the disciples of Marx and those of Muhammed would not.

America has some grievous sins - pornography, abortion, sodomy, adultery, etc. - and many minor flaws. However, there are some things worth fighting for (the historic and traditional values of the West) and much worth opposing (Marxism, both Soviet and Gramscian, and militant Islam).

130 posted on 10/29/2004 2:47:10 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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