Gertz Says Russians Did Remove Weapons

The Washington Times ^ | 10/28/04 | Bill Gertz

[UCANSEE2]

Weeks for the info to develop.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/02/20030205-1.html#1


Be back with the Russian insider confessing exactly what the Russians did. Everyone saw them on TV, moving convoys of trucks.

[UCANSEE2]

Here is YEAR OLD ARTICLE on RUSSIANS MOVING WMD'S TO SYRIA.
Germans moved some too.

http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10111

[Mr. Jeeves]

i recall the bush administration saying in '01 that the war on terror would in part use tactics of misinformation to confuse the enemy.

And clearly, Kerry now qualifies as an enemy.

[UCANSEE2]

Wanne see where they are now?

http://www.2la.org/syria/wmd.html

[mlocher]

And clearly, Kerry now qualifies as an enemy.

LOL!!!

and kerry confuses even himself!

[TapTheSource]

"Taiwan's been the "Other Cuba"....I'm sure we've nothing to fear from the Most Favored Friends we've appeased at every opportunity nearly my entire life."

I think Powell's recent comments re: Taiwan are nothing short of outrageous. I don't care if he is playing mind games with the Red Chinese, or whether he actually intends to handover Taiwan to that Communist hellhole. Of course, the latter option is far worse...both positions, however, are despicable. If we are to live up to the high ideals of our Declaration and Constitution, then we should be clear friends of freedom EVERYWHERE (btw, that is not the same as getting entangled in other nation's affairs...I'm speaking in terms of a consistent, general stance).

[Askel5]

=== Of course the Russians took the WMD's.

What the militant atheists give, the militant atheists can take away ...



=== We watched them do it.

Just like we listened to them direct Saddam's forces in Gulf War I.



I got a picture I'll post for you later which, IMHO, is worth a thousand words.

[Wallace T.]

I am more comfortable with the foreign policy views of The Washington Times, irrespective of my position regarding Rev. Moon's errant theology, than with those of the antiwar faction of libertarians, such as Lew Rockwell and Justin Raimundo, who baptize the Marxist and anti-Western viewpoints of the Noam Chomskys and Ramsey Clarks of the world with limited government or anarcho-capitalist cover.

[TapTheSource]

"Lew Rockwell and Justin Raimundo"

I completely agree with you re: Justin Raimundo. I would have to read up on Lew Rockwell's foreign policy stances before lumping him in with Raimundo. I do agree with Rockwell on a number of economic issues, however.

[Wallace T.]

Do you mean by "ancestry" a nation's historic religious beliefs rather than a person's lineage or genetic heritage? None of the Western European nations, with the possible exception of Ireland, can be considered Christian in 2004. Few Europeans attend church services nor understand the basic tenets of Catholicism or the Protestant denominations. The great-great-grandparents of today's Europeans were at least nominal Christians who attended church regularly and understood the basic doctrines of the Christian religion. Genetically (except where they have intermarried with nonwhite, non-European immigrants), they are the same people as were their ancestors. In terms of religion and worldview, they are much different.

I concur that there is much in Western civilization that is deplorable and that Muslims wisely disdain. However, in spite of our many flaws, the values of individualism, personal freedom, personal responsibility, the rule of law, and market economy that the United States represents are superior to either the oppression of Marxism or the medieval barbarism of militant Islam. To paraphrase one of the Hobbits in The Lord of the Rings, there are some things worth fighting for.

With regard to Islam, it is incorrect to call Muhammed a heretic. Historically, men such as Pelagius and Arius were heretics; they held to many core Christian beliefs, but deviated from orthodoxy in certain matters, such as the effects of Original Sin (Pelagius) or the character of the Trinity (Arius). However, Muhammed started an entirely new religion, rejecting the Substitutionary Atonement of Christ, the death, resurrection, and bodily ascension of Our Lord, His second coming, the Trinity, the role of the church, the Body of Christ, the abolition of the Mosaic law regarding sacrifices and diet, and the inerrancy and accuracy of the Bible. The proper word for Islam from a Christian standpoint is apostasy, not heresy.

I am aware that not all Muslims belong to the strictest wing of Islam. However, Muslims continually attacked lands where Christians lived. They conquered the Middle East and North Africa, subduing the Christians and either forcing their conversion, killing them, or reducing them to second class status. The much maligned Crusades were merely an attempt by Western European Christians to regain lands lost to the Star and Crescent centuries earlier. Until the 17th Century, when European technology gave the West an insuperable advantage, the Muslims made numerous attempts to conquer and subdue Europe. It was the sword, and not the Word, that brought much of the world under the sway of Islam.

Militant Islam, as much as Marxism, is the enemy of civilization. There is evidence that indicates that the American and Western European Left, and possibly Russia and China as well, are in tacit alliance with the jihadists. If the Aryan supremacists of Germany and the Japanese chauvinists of Nippon cooperated, there is no reason to think the disciples of Marx and those of Muhammed would not.

America has some grievous sins - pornography, abortion, sodomy, adultery, etc. - and many minor flaws. However, there are some things worth fighting for (the historic and traditional values of the West) and much worth opposing (Marxism, both Soviet and Gramscian, and militant Islam).

[Askel5]

Very thoughtful reply and one I'll return to.


=== (the historic and traditional values of the West)

Gone. I'm sorry but we have a President who is not above taking God's Word in vain to rationalize the Fact not all men are created equal and -- further -- some of the artificials may be purposefully destroyed for "humanitarian" science experiments.

The Muslims didn't rip to shreds the self-evident truths of our Declaration on which are based ALL notions of liberty and human rights -- chiefly the Right to Life -- as ordained by the Creator.

We did that.

And that's the primary reason we're in no position to pretend we're fighting for anything but a cask of ashes where our self-evident truths used to be.

[Just mythoughts]

"You don't see them because you cannot see them unless you visit there. Have you?"

Not necessarily a requirement to have gone there would have to have a before and after foundation.

"My guess is you get your information from what little is reported in US media outlets. Historically, on Russia, the only good news is bad news....when you get it from the big 3."

Russians Christians are some of the most admired people on the planet. They put most American Christians to shame. HOwever, Christians anywhere on the planet do not worship men or governments of this world.

"But rest assured they are there. And just try to imagine making a "go of it" in a democracy when your country was previously governed by communism, and you were inherently poor as a result."

I have no doubt they are there as the Promise written long ago by our HEavenly Father that he takes care of his own.

"Appreciate your American lifestyle and freedom each and every day. Thank the almighty heavenly father for what you have. "

Sir words cannot begin to describe my thankfulness, awareness of just how blessed this nation is and has been. Too many in this nation take these blessings for granted, and how truly blessed we are. Now our forefathers placed into the foundation of our Independence and our Constitution what established US a Christian nation and our blessings are not because we are the most special people in the world rather cause it is a promise fulfilled.

Those blessings come with a huge "IF" and the path this nation is teetering upon will make us one and the same as all nations if we are not careful.

I do."

[ninenot]

While it is true that most Muslims have no truck with terrorists, it is ALSO true that the Q'ran instructs Muslims to, ah, exert unpleasantries of the terminal sort on people "not of the Book." The "book" people, Christians and Jews, are allowed to live, in servitude, in Muslim lands.

And, by the way, ALL lands should be Muslim, too.

[ninenot]

While it is true that most Muslims have no truck with terrorists, it is ALSO true that the Q'ran instructs Muslims to, ah, exert unpleasantries of the terminal sort on people "not of the Book." The "book" people, Christians and Jews, are allowed to live, in servitude, in Muslim lands.

And, by the way, ALL lands should be Muslim, too.

[Askel5]

=== ALSO true that the Q'ran instructs Muslims to, ah, exert unpleasantries of the terminal sort on people "not of the Book."


By The Book, you mean the Old Testament?

Rather a lot of unpleasantries encouraged by God where other than his Chosen were concerned, no?

I'm not as well versed in the Old Testament as I oughta be ... I seize on things like Father Abraham's begging for mercy for the 100, the 50, the ten good men of Sodom. So it's been quite an eye-opener at times to have some of my atheist friends point out passages which are startling for their violence.

I think actions speak louder than words. Were it not for the Soviets working so hard to electrify that arc of radical Islam they so wanted (by any means necessary), I suspect the disparate and long soporific Arabs (as they were headed anyway) would have ended up productive partners of ours long ago.

I think that's exactly what the Soviets DIDN'T want and they threw a wrench in the works which allowed for certain extremely Self-Interested westerners to fall for a mirage of pinpoint control of the entire Middle East at once through enmity.

Hate's far more predictable than a Good Man, even ... because you never know when a Good Man's going to falter. Men who hate very rarely relent.

[A. Pole]

If you wish to pretend that a literal reading of the Old Testament -- as so often encouraged by various Christian heretics over the last 2000 centuries -- wouldn't likewise lead to certain excesses of injustice, you're just being a hypocrite of the first order.

Christians follow higher rule than the Old Testament. In case you do not know it is the New Testament. That is why it is called NEW. Old Testament was given by God at the time when the eye for eye and stoning of perverts represented a huge progress. New Testament raised the moral standard to bring love for the enemies and repentence to the sinners.

Islam went backward.

[MarMema]

Are you Russian, MarMema?

I am not. And you take my posts far too seriously. This is a forum where there is a great deal of tongue-in-cheek posting. Everything here, to me, is for enjoyment and relaxation.

This is a place where I come to be silly or sarcastic and especially to enjoy and laugh at the wonderful graphics.

This is not church, though church is wonderfully enjoyable as well, and this is not my job, where I have to deal with sick patients and often crabby ones too.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"Suppose the Russians did indeed remove the weapons, including WMD, by telling Saddam that they are just removing it for safe keeping, but in fact, the Russians were working with us behind the scenes. Russia removed those weapons, so Saddam couldn't use it against our troops. Remember, we were expecting our troops to be attacked with chem and bio weapons, that's why they were wearing the defensive suits in the 120 degree heat.

Suppose Russia couldn't come out openly then, and even now, to admit that they supported us, and Bush is protecting them, by not coming out and saying that's where the WMD went, because we would have to reveal things which would hurt our War on Terror."

Possibly, but Russia also could have moved any weapons that they knew of just to make sure those weapons did not end up in Chechen hands.

[stockstrader]

It looks lilke Kerry lucked out BIG TIME.

When the totally phoney-baloney 'missing weapons' story came out,,,,Kerry did some damage for a few days. Then as the story was being analyzed and being shown to be TOTALLY BOGUS--the Bin Laden video comes out--just as the Kerry campaign has decided that they have gotten as much mileage out of the BOGUS story as they can.

The video has taken the phoney 'missing weapons' story off the front page--BEFORE it started back-firing on Kerry. It looks like he lucked out BIG TIME!

[Wallace T.]

American and Western European civilization was never perfect. For centuries, the majority of Western Europeans were in bondage to hereditary serfdom. The death penalty was not confined to such heinous crimes as murder and treason, but petty theft or resistance to the nobility.

Virtually all of America's blacks lived under similar circumstances until after the Civil War. Even after the Civil War and Reconstruction, the blacks in the South and even the border and Northern states had limited legal recourse from the depredations of whites. I'm not just talking about lynching, but commercial relationships. A black man swindled by a white man in underweighing his cotton crop or wit-holding pay would stand little chance of redress of his grievances before a white judge or jury. In some instances, complaints to a court might result in a midnight visit by masked white men with guns, torches, knives, and whips. The Old South was not alone in its hostility. Race riots in New York in 1900, Chicago in 1919, and Tulsa in 1921 became in effect anti-black pogroms. Blacks were lynched in Indiana and Delaware as well as in Mississippi and Alabama.

The treatment of the unborn in America is unjust. However, to say that the America of past decades and centuries was just to all and lived up to the promises of the Declaration of Independence is also wrong. The blood of a black man wrongfully lynched in Arkansas in 1904 and that of an unborn baby wrongfully terminated in Arkansas in 2004 both cry for justice. Yet for all our nation's sins, we are, barring Our Lord's Second Coming, the last best hope of mankind.