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George Will To Sean Hannity - If the Prez remains tied in polls then it could be bad news for him...

Posted on 10/21/2004 1:28:02 PM PDT by TBBT

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To: JFC; AHerald
You know, we FREEPERs are totally awesome.

I thought for a second (a microsecond, really) that the reference would pass by without notice.

Thanks for having my back.

61 posted on 10/21/2004 1:58:23 PM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: TBBT

That would go against history if it did happen that way.


62 posted on 10/21/2004 1:59:17 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: TBBT

He is always so pompous and depressing. What did Sean Hannity say to those comments, anyway? Did he agree?


63 posted on 10/21/2004 2:00:17 PM PDT by BonnieJ
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To: ambrose

Thanks for posting this info. Where did this myth start about the undecideds breaking for the challenger?


65 posted on 10/21/2004 2:02:14 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: wideawake
George has been listening to the idiot pundits. First they said no bump after the conventions because everyone's mind is already made up;WRONG! does George will remember in the 1980's when the undecided voters "CAME HOME TO RONALD REAGAN"?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
66 posted on 10/21/2004 2:04:13 PM PDT by BOOTSTICK (meet me in Kansas city)
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To: TBBT

Yea, and they said Boston wouldn't win! BTW...what did Will say about the playoffs?


67 posted on 10/21/2004 2:06:52 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: wideawake
George Will has been a defeatist wet blanket throughout this election season

And the last one, too. There aren't many 'undecideds' left, and most of those won't even vote. More shallow election analysis from people who should keep quiet. With Bush bumping up against the magic number of 50 (really 49 with 3rd parties), 'undecideds' matter less and less each day.

68 posted on 10/21/2004 2:07:03 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The only thing good about George Will are his initials.


69 posted on 10/21/2004 2:10:04 PM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: princess leah

I'm with you. Relatively close, but not the razor-thin stuff of Election 2000.


70 posted on 10/21/2004 2:10:22 PM PDT by AHerald ("The fates lead him who will; him who won't they drag.")
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation

"There aren't many 'undecideds' left, and most of those won't even vote. "

This is true. And the reason they wont vote is that at heart, they are either perfectionists who dont like either candidate, or people who dont have much interest in other than the soaps, Oprah, food, and the football game on TV.

Now there are some folks who think Bush is a decent man, but dont necessarily agree with his policies. I believe that these are the folks that have been measured over the last few months as undecideds, but have most likely moved to Bush. At this point, they have disagreements with Bush...but just dont like or trust Kerry on a PERSONAL level. And I think all of the poll internals on leadership and trust bear this out.


71 posted on 10/21/2004 2:16:07 PM PDT by Dat Mon (clever tagline under construction)
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To: Uncle Vlad

Undecideds usually go for the challenger in Congressional races... Not always... undecideds often went for incumbents in 2002.

What these pundits have failed to realize is the cong. race axiom hasn't applied to Pres elections..


72 posted on 10/21/2004 2:16:34 PM PDT by ambrose (http://www.swiftvets.com)
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To: lnbchip

"...the President has a 4 - 5 point lead. That's not really a dead heat."

Right. I also read somewhere, maybe here, probably here, some old election hand say he always adds 4 pts. to the republican and subtracts 2 from the dem, to account for bias. I don't know if this is relevent, but Kerry has not had a lead in most polls for over a month now.

I don't want to get too optimistic, but I don't want to be as pessimistic as Will, either.


73 posted on 10/21/2004 2:20:49 PM PDT by jocon307 (Don't let Australia down: Re-elect President Bush!)
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To: jocon307
I don't want to be too derogatory, but...

George Will is a needlessly pedantic, liberal-appeasing, asswipe.

There... I feel better.
74 posted on 10/21/2004 2:22:57 PM PDT by Common Sense 101
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To: js1138
I'd hardly call the 1976 election a blowout with its 2.1% margin of victory. Anyway, the chart disproves your original assertion

The pattern has been clear since the 1930s. The only exception was Reagan vs Carter, in which it broke for Reagan. Undecideds break for the incumbent, or the incumbent party.

, though if you wish to qualify it now as "Undecideds break for the incumbent, or the incumbent party, except when there is a blowout by either the incumbent or challenger, or the polls are regressing to a nominal mean". Then sure, I guess the data supports that.

The data set itself is awefully small to begin with though, and taking out you exceptions leaves us with only a scant 8 elections to work from.

I still contend that my original statement is the most accurate analysis of the data.
75 posted on 10/21/2004 2:27:57 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Democrats and free speech are like oil and water)
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To: Rummyfan

If one is undecided at this point they ought to take a vacation during election week. They are suffering from a lack of ambition, ability to read and absorb anything and fall into the category of a listless human being.


76 posted on 10/21/2004 2:35:32 PM PDT by tuvals (America First - Support Our Troops!)
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To: keyesguy
has made weak kneed voters uncomfortable about publicly supporting the GOP, however when they go to the booth...

That is a good point, and it ought to be magnified this year, considering both the effects of 9/11 and the incredible pop status that Bush-hating has attained.

78 posted on 10/21/2004 3:05:30 PM PDT by Monti Cello
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To: TBBT

The election rule of thumb is that if an incumbant doesn't have 50% in the polls a week out from election, he won't ever get to 51% and will lose.

Presidential elections don't generally work this way though. The candidate with the more positive message is usually the one the race breaks towards. Most often, it is the incumbant saying "we are on the right course", and the challenger saying "everything is screwed up".

Reagan v Carter was an exception where Reagan was telling us how great America is, while Carter was blathering about our need to be humble.

This election, Kerry is telling us how screwed up we are and need to obey the UN, while Bush is stroking the flames of patriotism.

It will be an historic event if this election breaks towards the grim reaper. Explainable only by an unpredictable level of vote fraud.


79 posted on 10/21/2004 3:07:30 PM PDT by Undecided
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To: TBBT
I agree. The President has to be ahead in the 'collective polls' (no pun intended) by at least 5 points for the President to win. Right now the best 'collective poll' is www.realclearpolitics.com--and the President's support has eroded to less than a 3% lead.

Between the normal democratic voter fraud/intimidation--the possibility/probably of the undecideds breaking to Kerry--and Eliot Spitzer's efforts to drive the stock market down by attacking the insurance/health insurance/financial stocks the last two weeks before the election--the President needs at least a 5% margin.

P.S. Spitzer is doing a good job for Kerry as his efforts have DECIMATED quality companies in those industries in last few days--helping to seriously drive down the value of people's IRA's and mutual funds. Many, many QUALITY blue-chip companies have lost by over $100 billion of market cap in the last few days thanks to Spitzer's efforts--who by the way will be campaigning with Kerry in Florida next week for the Jewish vote.

80 posted on 10/21/2004 3:15:41 PM PDT by stockstrader
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