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Can men respect women if they're trained to be perverts?
WorldNetDaily ^ | 10/18/04 | Rabbi Shmuley Boteach

Posted on 10/18/2004 6:43:11 PM PDT by wagglebee

In a culture that sexualizes women constantly, the line between water-cooler chat and harassment is increasingly thin.

Bill O'Reilly, the conservative talk-show host whose "The O'Reilly Factor" is the highest-rated cable news show, has been sued for sexual harassment by his former producer Andrea Mackris. Mackris alleges that on many occasions, both in person and over the phone, O'Reilly engaged in lewd and lascivious conversation against her will. She goes so far as to state that O'Reilly unlawfully engaged in, and gratified himself with, phone sex, with Mackris on the other end of the line.

To be sure, O'Reilly enjoys the presumption of innocence in the suit, until proven otherwise. I personally respect and greatly enjoy O'Reilly as a broadcaster and I am sorry to see his public standing undermined by these allegations. While some of the content of Mackris' affidavit seems possible, readers of it will discover that other parts seem directed squarely at Roger Ailes, the chairman of the Fox News Channel, thereby undermining her credibility. Furthermore, Mackris does not explain why she didn't just hang up when O'Reilly allegedly harassed her repeatedly over the telephone.

Be that as it may, this sordid and sorry tale brings to the fore all that is wrong with our increasingly perverse culture. The question that the growing phenomenon of sexual harassment in the workplace raises is this: Can we really expect to have a healthy office environment, where men treat women as colleagues and intellectual equals, when everywhere else in the culture women are being so completely sexualized?

Is it realistic to ask men to separate what they see on television and in magazines from their interactions with women in the boardroom? With men being deluged in virtually every electronic medium with the message that women want to be recognized for their bodies rather than their brains, is it reasonable to expect that men will suddenly think differently the moment a woman dons a business suit?

Never in history have women been so sexually exploited as they are today.

College girls expose their breasts in exchange for a T-shirt on the "Girls Gone Wild" videos. MTV has transformed the women's music industry away from an emphasis on vocals and toward an emphasis of cleavage. Posters of Victoria's Secret models, dressed in thongs and the most revealing lingerie, line our mains thoroughfares, billboards and buses. Are men really expected to shut all this off the moment they stand in front of a copy machine?

Can we really expect a pure office environment to emerge from a degenerate culture? Indeed, in an environment where everything from the Internet to sporting events is sexualized, it even becomes difficult to determine what exactly constitutes harassment in the work place.

Let's see. If a man watches "Sex and the City" and, knowing that his female colleagues love the show, mentions at the water cooler how much he enjoyed the previous night's episode of Samantha giving a stranger oral sex, is it harassment? Or is it small talk?

And let's say a boss comes into the office after watching the Super Bowl and asks his secretary if she saw Janet Jackson's breast pop out during the half-time show, is he making lewd and inappropriate comments? What if a guy sees some new movie about sex and comments on the nude love scene – is that harassment? And if it is, can we at least recognize that we have made a huge portion of American culture off-limits in the workplace, because of how perversely sexualized it has become?

So that I am not misunderstood, let me make it clear that my purpose here is not to let men's boorish, and possibly illegal behavior, off the hook.

On the contrary. I wish that all men were gentlemen, behaving in a dignified and refined manner, especially around ladies. And I also wish that it didn't take the threat of legal action to get them to behave as gentlemen. Lewd comments on the part of lecherous men is the last thing that women should have to tolerate.

But let's acknowledge the incredibly mixed, contradictory and unfair signals that are being given to men. In life outside the office, men's lechery is encouraged in order to persuade men them to watch television or part with their cash. Near-naked twins sell them beer, women in thongs advertise the Miss America pageant, and Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera simulate masturbation in coming attractions for their shows on HBO and Showtime.

After being fed the idea in every corner of the culture that women primarily desire sexual attention, these men are expected to believe that women are going to be insulted, rather than complimented, by uncouth comments about their bodies.

What complicates the question of harassment is the fact that women are being subtly conditioned to use their sexuality to get ahead in the office. No less a branding genius than Donald Trump advised women on "The Apprentice" to play up their sexuality in commercial settings in order to gain power over men. Many women fall for this degrading advice by coming to the office dressed like streetwalkers. Dress codes today are considered outmoded and draconian, and fashion dictates that many women wear blouses cut very low and skirts cut very high. Yet men are expected not to notice. A woman's breasts can be spilling out of her blouse at a board-meeting, and men are expected to see her intelligence.

On my radio show, one man called in to say that there is a woman who works right across from his cubicle who wears see-through blouses nearly every day. "She's essentially wearing only a bra in the office, and I often have to put my hand in front of my face to block her out to stop myself from staring."

I am not blaming the victims or insinuating that women are inviting harassment. Far from it. No matter what they are exposed to and no matter how women dress, men must be in control of themselves and treat women as dignified and intellectual equals. I have never, and will never, excuse boorish behavior. But that does not change the fact that sexual harassment in the workplace is being vastly increased by a culture that both fosters the idea that women are primarily sexual objects, and that puts no emphasis on men and women dressing modestly and professionally.

And you can be sure that until such time that the sexual exploitation of women is reversed – and women reclaim their dignity by refusing to be portrayed on television and the Internet as the lecherous man's playthings – the number of women who have to suffer through male crudity is only going to increase.


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KEYWORDS: billoreilly; boteach; rabbishmuley; rabbishmuleyboteach; sexualharassment; shmuleyboteach
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To: swilhelm73
This is a textbook, real, centerist.

OK, It is probably accurate to descibe O'R as Center-Left. But honest to Gore, this guy never voted for a Republican in his life ... and never will. In fact, it hurts him to say anything good about any Republican.

Russert (the smartest), and Matthews,(the trickiest) are both Jesuit-trained and apparently drank deep of Christian Socialism as preached by Pius IX in the mid-19th century. O'R (the loudest)went to some jerkwater outfit, the Catholic equivalent of Wossamatta U State, and got the same message, in diluted form. Of course, Pope Pius IX was also a pious old fraud who ran an absolute dictatorship in the Papal States and would have thrown all three of these parlor pinkos into a papal dungeon.

The three of'em are America's answer to Europe's Christian Socialists. They are all just dying to be accepted by the real American Left, which won't happen because, in case these three bozos never noticed, the Lefties despise Catholics ...especially "working class" Catholics.

These three guys all discovered "the fair and balanced" thing after Fox proved it would sell, so they jumped on the bandwagon, but now, around election time, their true Democrap colors show.

181 posted on 10/19/2004 4:31:27 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: swilhelm73
This is a textbook, real, centerist.

OK, It is probably accurate to descibe O'R as Center-Left. But honest to Gore, this guy never voted for a Republican in his life ... and never will. In fact, it hurts him to say anything good about any Republican.

Russert (the smartest), and Matthews,(the trickiest) are both Jesuit-trained and apparently drank deep of Christian Socialism as preached by Pius IX in the mid-19th century. O'R (the loudest)went to some jerkwater outfit, the Catholic equivalent of Wossamatta U State, and got the same message, in diluted form. Of course, Pope Pius IX was also a pious old fraud who ran an absolute dictatorship in the Papal States and would have thrown all three of these parlor pinkos into a papal dungeon.

The three of'em are America's answer to Europe's Christian Socialists. They are all just dying to be accepted by the real American Left, which won't happen because, in case these three bozos never noticed, the Lefties despise Catholics ...especially "working class" Catholics.

These three guys all discovered "the fair and balanced" thing after Fox proved it would sell, so they jumped on the bandwagon, but now, around election time, their true Democrap colors show.

182 posted on 10/19/2004 4:32:40 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk
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To: wagglebee

Sexual banter flows freely at my employment. It should never be confused with harrassment. All in good clean (dirty) fun!


183 posted on 10/19/2004 4:34:26 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: farmfriend

Where do you work, at a strip club?


184 posted on 10/19/2004 4:50:47 PM PDT by wagglebee (Benedict Arnold was for American independence before he was against it.)
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To: codyjacksmom

Have I mentioned that I respect you?


185 posted on 10/19/2004 5:26:07 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: SoDak
Even perverts need respect too... ;)
186 posted on 10/19/2004 5:58:19 PM PDT by codyjacksmom (Attention All Girlie-men...Please don't forget your foo foo's on the way out the door.)
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To: HitmanNY

I guess I now understand why the brown paper bag manufacturing industry hasn't gone under...


187 posted on 10/19/2004 6:15:14 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: knarf

I think they should both pay a little attention to that facial hair...


188 posted on 10/19/2004 6:19:06 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: knarf

Who says there's no such thing as a sasquach...?


189 posted on 10/19/2004 6:21:59 PM PDT by RavenATB
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To: nmh
SIGH!, "SELF CONTROL" is a Concept Equally Applicable to Women AND Men!!

The "Fantasy" that ONLY MEN desire Sex is PURE FICTION!

Human Biology Dictates that BOTH Men & Women are Sexual Creatures!!

The "Sociological Myth" that "Women" are the "Victims of Male 'Sexuality'", is PURE, Unadelterated "BS!!"

BY ALL REPORTS, WOMEN are AT LEAST as SEXUALLY DRIVEN as Men.

Doc

190 posted on 10/19/2004 6:47:18 PM PDT by Doc On The Bay
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To: cjshapi

Ping.


191 posted on 10/19/2004 6:48:49 PM PDT by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: perfect stranger

The unnatractive ones sue because once dumped they know they don't have another chance......

As el-Rushbo says, "Femminism was started to give ugly women better access to mainstream society"......


192 posted on 10/20/2004 6:56:13 PM PDT by festus (Whats the frequency Kenneth ?)
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To: festus

Trying to "guilt-trip" a soceity into sexual Marxism.


193 posted on 10/20/2004 7:05:04 PM PDT by perfect stranger (The Hummer is a regular Pat Buchanan on wheels." PJ O'Rourke from C&D magazine)
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