Kerry FLIP FLOP on Homosexuality as a Choice? [credit Rush Caller]

ABC News ^ | Oct. 15, 2004 | AP

[Sloth]

Do we have any scientific data to support either position choice/birth?

Are we talking attraction or behavior? The latter is by choice; the former is irrelevant to matters of public policy.

[Chicos_Bail_Bonds]

Sorry Woogit, I can't disagree with you more.

[SableGal]

Elizabeth Edwards said,"I think that [Mrs. Cheney's complaint] indicates a certain degree of shame with respect to her daughter's sexual preferences."

To me the word preferences indicates a choice.

[ArGee]

Do we have any scientific data to support either position choice/birth?

Would it matter?

Shalom.

[1Old Pro]

It was an observant catch. Kerry doesn't know what he's lying about from day to day, sentence to sentence.

[freestyle]

My instinct is to think that the vast majority of people are born with a heterosexual instinct. I do, however, allow for the possibility that this is not ALWAYS the case. In the most scientific of ways, sometimes someone might be born with an anomaly to the "norm".

I also think people do have the "choice" to go with or against their instincts.

So sure, you can have it both ways.

But to me, this illustrates why I trust Bush more then Kerry. Bush says, "I don't know." And Kerry says "No, it is not a choice," definitively and then contradicts himself a couple days later. There is no honesty there. I can't support people who have that much difficulty being honest.

[freestyle]

How come you didn't answer the question?

[Dante3]

Very few things Kerry hasn't flip-flopped. So far he hasn't denied that he is a Viet Nam vet.

[freestyle]

Another good catch!

[codercpc]

I have a close relative who was sure she was gay. She had been in a long term relationship with a guy, and they broke up, a very aggressive "friend" of hers came on to her and they ended up having a relationship. After she broke up with the lady, she actually met a wonderful man and is now married and starting a family.

She has admitted to me that her ex boyfriend for years told her that she was lucky to have him, because no one else would take her because of her weight. She believed him (she started dating him at 14 years old). We for years tried to get her out of this relationship (we didn't know he was telling her all of this), but because of her age she rebelled against anything her family would tell her. Amazingly although she dated him for 10 years, he was so cold towards her that they never were close physically. She just assumed that the problem was her, and she wouldn't open up to any of us because she was ashamed.

When she finally matured, and broke up with him, this "lady" was there and she convinced my relative that she was gay, and that's why she was never physically involved with her boyfriend. I, as someone who loved her deeply, sat her down one day, and told her that if she really "loved" this woman I would support her because all I wanted was for her to be happy. But if she was still confused, take some time by herself, and find herself. I truly think that she didn't think she could be alone. When she discovered it was ok to be alone, she was able to step back, look at the situation, and ended the relationship. After a while, she met a wonderful man, and she is truly happier than I have ever seen her.

[gridlock]

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[little jeremiah]

Check out these articles, it's all here on FR:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1026551/posts?page=58

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P.S. It's not birth, since there are thousands of ex-homosexuals, and no ex-blacks or ex-Asians.

[Stashiu]

Ok, I'll weigh in on this one.

We are sexual beings. The sexual urges we act on define us in our society. Promiscuity generates its own emotional and sometimes physical penalties.

In essence, I don't believe there is such a thing as heterosexuals or homosexuals, or even the new metrosexuals or asexuals. You are what you do.

Ancient Greeks, by the way, considered it normal for an unmarried young man to have sexual liaisons with older men. It was considered foolish once the young man got married.

I do have a problem with gay marriage. I do not have a problem with the concept of a household.

[T-Boy]

If there is no proof of homosexual genetics, why is it now thought of as a fact? It seems the argument is now turned so that you must disprove homosexual birth via PC.

[Steve_Seattle]

On 2000 election night, when the press prematurely announced Gore as the winner, Paula Zahn - then working for Fox - was inadvertently caught on camera raising her arms in triumph and shouting, "Yes!!!" Does anyone else remember that?

[Steve_Seattle]

"How often does one of these nature vs. nurture disputes get settled, anyway?"

And why do we often limit this to homosexuality? Maybe we also have natural predispositions to other emotions/behavior, such as anger. But no one would suggest it's always good to act out our anger, whether we "chose" that anger or not.

[freestyle]

Well said... I'll go along with that.

And let me add, the reason you "...have a problem with gay marriage," is that it is an OXY-MORON by definition.

Marriage is the legal union of a Man and Woman as husband and wife. It is just what the word means. Plain and simple.

[T-Boy]

Thanks for your post. Looks like you've done some homework on the subject. I didn't see any Title: Science though. I'll dig deeper and get better informed.

[doc30]

My guess is that some are born that way, others are sucked into it.

[freestyle]

>>If there is no proof of homosexual genetics, why is it now thought of as a fact?

My guess on that question is that it is because the majority of self-identified gays claim to believe that they were born that way.

I guess Kerry was assuming this too when he spoke FOR Ms. Cheney.