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1 posted on 10/17/2004 11:39:59 AM PDT by olderandwiser
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To: olderandwiser

Yeah, I agree. PV seems like a real bad idea.


2 posted on 10/17/2004 11:40:48 AM PDT by martin_fierro (I'm stuned, stuned!)
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To: olderandwiser

I agree. But I wonder what authority a Federal judge has over a State's adminsitration of the elections? Does the judges directive have any merit?


3 posted on 10/17/2004 11:49:24 AM PDT by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: olderandwiser

There is something really wrong with "provisional ballots;" it sounds almost unconstitutional.


5 posted on 10/17/2004 11:56:59 AM PDT by Ken522
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To: olderandwiser

dims want every vote to count. Pubbies want every LEGAL vote to count.


7 posted on 10/17/2004 11:59:50 AM PDT by mathluv (Protect my grandchildren's future. Vote for Bush/Cheney '04.)
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To: olderandwiser

You know what? In the last election, after waiting in line at my normal rec center polling site to get my ballot, I was informed that my polling place had changed to the local elementary school(further from my house, yet I had to pass this one to get there). Guess what I did! I didn't complain or raise a stink, I went to the school, waited in line again and cast my vote. Pretty darn simple!

I have been wondering, wouldn't a provisional ballot necessarily mean that the voter is NOT casting an anonymous vote? How many would then scream about an 'invasion of privacy' or some such nonsense?

Every provisional vote would have to be identified by voter so as to be able to verify that one was not voting twice. Would the voter, in identifying onesself on the PB, also have to list which is the correct precinct so his vote could be correctly cast? If so, the why not go there in the first place?


8 posted on 10/17/2004 11:59:55 AM PDT by knick knack (I’ve been consistent in many ways in this position.)
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To: olderandwiser

I worked the polls for Ohio in last years primary election, we were instructed to give anybody who drove up to the polls a provisional ballot who asked for one. We were to assume they were who they said they were and lived in the precient. Working outside we had no way of knowing the truth.

For every false registration that has been turned in, we now have this senerio. Assuming that person was not brain dead has made a copy of every false name he turned in, can now drive up to any pollingplace in the city and ask for a ballot under xx names. Workers in our area changed every 4 hours allowing them to come to the same place every 4 hours and never run into the same poll worker


10 posted on 10/17/2004 12:03:33 PM PDT by boxerblues (www.ohbluestarmothers.org)
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Obviously the democrats are interested in making every vote count, every provisionsal vote that is, especially if the voters in question happen to visit and vote in several precincts. What are the realistic chances that all duplicate provisional votes will be caught and discounted? The democrats are counting on this and will attempt to defraud their way to victory. In every instance these people should be arrested and sentenced to hard prison time. Multiple votes should add increased penalties. Non-citizens should do jail time and then be deported along with their families. The Supreme Court should step in and stop this fraud before it begins. We need a National Voter ID Card with a photo, fingerprint, hologram and/or biometric data that can be tracked in a national databank to ensure that no one can vote more than once anywhere. Solid proof of citizenship MUST be required to obtain one of these cards. Otherwise we will be facing one voter fraud scheme after another.


12 posted on 10/17/2004 12:06:50 PM PDT by derSchurfer
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To: olderandwiser

Entirely reasonable. Please note that Rats do not intend to allow you to vote on anything. Rat liberal socialist judges will decide what is law and shove it down your throat. They only want you to vote nationally because they haven't got enough judges in position in SCOTUS yet. When they do SCOTUS will tell you how you voted, and there will be no point in your going to the polls. Just think of the money we'll save.


13 posted on 10/17/2004 12:08:55 PM PDT by Navy Patriot
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I'm trying to figure out what is wrong with provisonal voting. The votes do not count unless there are enough to make a difference AND if they can be verified to be an eligible voter who has not voted elsewhere. What is the big deal here ?

Of course I mean other than common sense, such as if you show up at the wrong place, GET DIRECTIONS. People that dumb or lazy should not vote. So of course I'm talking about the voter fraud angle. What exactly about it is supposed to make it easier to commit fraud ?

14 posted on 10/17/2004 12:14:55 PM PDT by UsnDadof8 (Patriotic Homeschool Kids for Bush)
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Wait until some dem attorneys sue to get provisional ballots counted EVEN THOUGH THE VOTER IS NOT REGISTERED!!! I can hear them now. "These voters took the time and effort to show up and vote, their votes should be counted even though they are not yet registered. If they are ELIGIBLE , they should be allowed to cast a vote." I guarantee this will happen somewhere.


20 posted on 10/17/2004 1:07:47 PM PDT by hophead
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To: olderandwiser
In the spirit of equal protection, I just don't get how provisional ballots work.

If someone comes in from another precinct, does that itinerant voter get a complete ballot from the visiting precinct, or is a provisional ballot just for the Presidential candidates?

For instance, even if I'm in the right county or town, I may get a ballot that has Presidential & Senatorial candidates in addition to precinct-specific questions such as Congressional candidates, State legislative candidates, aldermanic candidates, local school referendum, fire protection referendum, parks, or forest preserve questions in which I have no right to vote.

What would MY "provisional" ballot look like?
29 posted on 10/19/2004 7:51:34 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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