Ex-Inmate's Suit Offers View Into Sexual Slavery in Prisons

The New York Times ^ | October 16, 2004 | Adam Liptak

[1stFreedom]

>> Unless you can propose an alternative, shut the hell up.

The alternative is obvious -- prison should be solitary confinement. What reason do prisoners have to communicate with other criminals? What good comes of it (outside of religious conversions)? How does it keep a prison environment safe?

>>You sound like a liberal do-gooder, great at identifying a problem but clueless on the solution.

And you sound like some of the pompous people around here with their rigid, condescending ideology.

Denial of the problem, or the gleeful acceptance of it is really a big part of the problem. Prison rape goes on essentially because it is allowed -- hence this man's lawsuit.

Imagine a situation where a prison guard rapes an inmate. Would you say there is nothing wrong with this? Probably not, but I wish to underscore something. Prison is its own society, and even in that society justice must prevail. Yet, we let gangsters make the rules up in that society, and we let rape go unpunished and unchecked in that society.

If it's wrong for a prison guard to rape someone, is it right for an inmate to rape another?

One of the main roles of the Government is to protect the defenseless and weak. This role does not stop at the prison walls.

There are several solutions possible:
* Solitary confinement
* Mixed association (blacks, hispanics, etc)
* Segmentation of the population (Ie, don't mix 6'5 290 lb men with 5'3 125 lb men -- guess who's gonna get raped?)
* Additional Prison guards mixed in the population (not sitting on their duffs behind a desk)
* Better categorization of criminals (what was this guy doing at such a place? Seems he belonged more in a work camp envioronment)
* Prosecution of rapists including chemical castration and or death penality (for protection of society)

There are many possible solutions, but as long as people are ambivolent about prison rape, nothing will ever happen and the prison gangs will have a field day.






Why don't you volunteer at your local jail to go watch these "gentlemen" to make sure they stay off each other?

[Kay Ludlow]

It's obvious that a lot of people supervising or working in prisons don't care about it.

Our Corrections system does allow this - that's the problem in my opinion. The guards who turn the other way, the supervisors who don't reprimand them for it, the leadership that doesn't want to talk about it. Prison shouldn't be fun, but the punishment should be more along the lines of hard work, solitary confinement, endless boredom. Instead we allow the prisoners to create their own society and their own rules within their prison. Our government employees are responsible for allowing that, and ought to be held accountable.

[gg188]

A "journalist" with the world's leading journal wrote this sentence? ...

The officials deny they mishandled the complaints and the ugly comments attributed to them.

They deny they mishandled the ugly comments?

[headsonpikes]

as long as bureaucrats can act wiyh impunity nothing will change

The genius of the Soviet system!

Why, oh why, must we emulate them?

[sinkspur]

You boys get right on this. Go to your local state prison board and tell them you are dedicating one year of your lives to reforming your own state's prisons. See what the board tells you.

Next, go to your legislator, and demand that he do something about prison rape and that he enact 1stFreedoms recommendations. See what he tells you.

Update us on your progress in a month.

[SunnySide]

"perhaps if there were some consequence for those who are paid to control the system
as long as bureaucrats can act with impuinity nothing will change."


I never comprehended the benefits of prison systems with Club med perks. The only perks prisoners should get three meals a day, a cot to sleep on and a roof over their head. They should work everyday not pump up so they're bigger badder and stronger to commit more crimes when they go back into society. Talk about backwards. Here's the ridiculous thing about our society, lawful willing CEO white collar type people pay around $500.00 dollars and up to go to week long self help seminars in which they are psychologically broken down and then rebuilt up. Yet we don't implement this in our prison systems?! Not even try it as an experiment? But keep building those free weight training rooms. Lord knows I want my future potential rapist to resemble Stone Cold Steve Austin, he's so dreamy and buff (sarcasm).

[atomicpossum]

I agree with every part except prison having to be a nasty place.

Well, I think we're largely on the same side of the coin here. I'm not advocating rape or beatings as part of the public penal system. But the system can't be simply another public housing project where bureaucrats house people that don't care about where they are and are just as criminal inside as they are outside.

Interestingly, in the thirteenth amendment outlaws slavery except as punishment for a crime.

In short, convicted criminals can be considered slaves of the state, so compulsory labor without compensation IS constitutional.

Also, break the prisoners up into smaller lots. Rotate them occasionally to break up alliances.

[gunnedah]

This has gone on in jails and prisons for years and those in charge are very much aware of it and apparently accept it.

[SunnySide]

"If they're psychotic enough to enjoy watching prisoners get raped, I suggest they're in the wrong line of work."

I say guards who are into that sort of voyuerism are on the wrongs side of the prison bars. They're enabling societal debauchery not correcting it while they're in a "correctional" facility. Oh the irony there.

[headsonpikes]

One of the main roles of the Government is to protect the defenceless and weak.

Sorry, but the historical record demonstrates that Government preys on the defenceless and weak. No succour to be found there.

Prisons are not the solution to a problem, but a further means of socializing Americans to accept the brutal realities of modern state socialism.

The chief aim of modern Government is to institutionalize the entire population under their management. Prisons, schools, the health system, care in old age - every organ fulfils its respective role.

Gotta nurture those 'human resources'.

[SunnySide]

"In short, convicted criminals can be considered slaves of the state, so compulsory labor without compensation IS constitutional. Also, break the prisoners up into smaller lots. Rotate them occasionally to break up alliances."

I totally agree.

[1stFreedom]

I'm sure if you bothered to search or read many posts here on FR you'll find many expletives.

[1stFreedom]

>>See what the board tells you.
Next, go to your legislator, and demand that he do something about prison rape and that he enact 1stFreedoms recommendations. See what he tells you.

Exactly my point. Prison rape is accepted and these people are part of the problem, not the solution.

One does not need to dedicate a year of ones life to this-- others already have. But we can help those organizations who are trying to fight this.

[hosepipe]

This from Adam LIPTALK of the New York Times... LoL...

[asgardshill]

I'm sure if you bothered to search or read many posts here on FR you'll find many expletives.

I'm sure if YOU bothered to read the posting guidelines we all must follow to post on FreeRepublic, you'll find that expletives are not allowed here.

"Do keep it clean - A bruise or two between Freepers is tolerable, but refrain from abusive attacks, engaging in senseless flame wars, and using profane language."

[AppyPappy]

Oh now this is what we need. Prisons that encourage rape so we can turn those rapists back into society.

[sinkspur]

But we can help those organizations who are trying to fight this.

You help them. There are too many people who aren't in prison who need help more.

[HostileTerritory]

If that's your attitude, why should anyone post about any problem on FR? I can't end abortion with a snap of my fingers either, huh, I guess that makes me a whiner. Spare me your pointless sanctimony. Things change through discussion and awareness. You don't have to read my posts if it bothers you.

[drpix]

Here's the bottom line:

- Prisons are full of violent people (even if not all those in prison are violent).
- Violent people can only be controlled by superior violence or the threat of that violence.
- In name of "civil rights", a liberal/leftist cabal of lawyers, courts, journalists and social activists have tipped the balance against those who we charge with running are prisons.
- Now that prison officials have been stripped of the ability to truly control their own prisons, the prisoners themselves control much of daily prison life.

Should anyone be honestly surprised by the consequences: that the most violent prisoners rule the lives of the less violent prisoners? When the same leftist cabal now start pointing their finger, someone should tell them where to shove that pointing finger. DON'T LET THE LEFT (INCLUDING YOUR NYTIMES) BLAME PRISON OFFICIAL!