Posted on 10/15/2004 7:15:36 AM PDT by flutters
> You quoted scripture to say the opposite of what Christ intended
I quoted Scripture. It says what it says. I have no use for things that are written to mean other than what they say. Thus, when Christ said to buy a sword, that's what he meant. You don't *actually* think he was referring to using *money* to buy "spiritual armor"... do you???
> the devil can quote scripture
Yes, indeed, Pellegrino... or should I say, *Mephistopheles*???
> life of your soul, which goes on forever
Uck. How boring would THAT be? Bleah.
I would not wish to take away your sword, though I would prefer you carry a gun. The point is that the more Christ-like you become, the less you will feel the need to carry weapons for protection. Christ carried none and chastised his disciples for thinking that their physical weapons were capable of defeating the enemy. The enemy, after all, is not flesh and blood; the enemy is a spirit being who seeks the destruction of your soul. Signing off
I agree.
The Sikhs too, have long beeen victims of Islamic terror.
Personally, I think EVERYBODY whould be able to carry a knife, and a sword and a rifle and a pistol if they want to.
All Sikh men have the same last name: Singh, which means "Lion".
I'd trade ten American Muslims for one Sikh any day of the week.
You are a fool. Still there is hope.
Signing off.
So you think the disciples really pulled out two Bibles? And did they use a Bible to cut the Roman dude's ear off?
What was true in 900 A.D. is just as true today.
The carrying of a weapon is both wise and the symbol of a free man - something liberals have always opposed - freedoma and wisdom.
Do you know what their beliefs are? I'm curious, and ignorant about them as well. Are they part of the Hindu or Moslem population, or neither?
Jesus told them to carry a sword for protection.
I can hardly imagine you'd say the disciples didn't need the Word of God when they had no money. But the sword discussed was unnecessary for those without money.
Continue to read the thread. I also supplemented the conversation here with a google search. Very interesting.
A 2nd-Amendment device.
Sorry, you are mistaken. He was telling his disciples that physical danger abounded and we need to take responsibility for our own physical safety. He did not condemn Peter for owning a sword in the garden, he just admonished him for using a physical weapon in a spiritual battle.
And in quoting scipture, let me remind you of another statement of our Lord Jesus the Christ:
Matthew 5:22
But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell.
You specifically said to orionblamblam:
You are a fool. Still there is hope.
Maybe you could explain why you put yourself in danger of the fire of hell.
> You are a fool.
Wow. You've convinced me. The staggering weight of your rhetorical genius is unassailable.
> Still there is hope.
Indeed so. It's called "reason." Reason says that since there are unreasonable people in the world, prepare for them. And since the evidence shows that the Word Of God doesn't stop a bullet, and a Bible will probably only stop a small one, you find something that does. And while a kevlar vest might stop a bullet, a gun in the right hands can stop that bullet from being fired int he first place.
> What was true in 900 A.D. is just as true today.
Indeed so. While the sword may have been replaced with the firearm, the principle remains unchanged.
> The carrying of a weapon is both wise and the symbol of a free man
The armed man is a citizen. The unarmed man is a subject.
Don't bother. I've been through this before with orionblamblam.
He WILL NOT listen to you.
Oh, I'll listen. I'll be listening for signs of rationality and consistency.
The quote says what it says. It says to buy a sword. Deal with it.
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