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The Courts grant rights? - The real Kerry slips out.
The 3rd Debate ^ | Oct 14, 2004

Posted on 10/14/2004 5:06:45 AM PDT by GrandEagle

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To: GrandEagle
I'll answer it straight to America. I'm not going to appoint a judge to the Court who's going to undo a constitutional right, whether it's the First Amendment, or the Fifth Amendment, or some other right that's given under our courts today

Notice that he was very careful here not to mention the Second Amendment...

21 posted on 10/14/2004 5:40:23 AM PDT by MWS (John Kerry- The wrong candidate for the wrong office at the wrong time.)
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To: GrandEagle
Wasn't it interesting that he didn't mention the 2nd Amendment or the 4th Amendment? sKerry skipped right over those. Kinda makes you go hmmmmmmmmm...........

Not taking up for sKerry, but as far as the "courts granting rights" comment goes, it was none other than our illustrious Director of Homeland Security, Tom Ridge, who said when he gave his acceptance speech to that post that "our rights are the best thing our government gives its citizens". This comment was echoed almost verbatim several days later by Laura Bush.

22 posted on 10/14/2004 5:40:26 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: Sacajaweau

This same body (USSC) ruled it was constitutional to allow "Separate but equal" laws on blacks in the South. Using Kerry's logic one must assume he would support this since it was "constitutional".

Funny thing is when I read the Constitution I see no authority that gives the Federal Government the power to kill babies in the womb. Where is the abortion Amendment?

To compare a decision like Roe v Wade to the first Amendment borders on insanity. Did 2/3 Congress vote to allow abortion on demand? Did 2/3 of the State Leg. vote to allow abortion on demand?

Too bad there are a lot of insane people who support killing human beings on demand.


23 posted on 10/14/2004 5:40:28 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: gunnygail

"First tenat of totalitarianism, get the people to think that the "state" grants them their rights.

American Revolution part two on the horizon folks."

'we are gods'


B U M P


24 posted on 10/14/2004 5:42:42 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: gunnygail
Americans never get the clue until it is too late.
Unfortunately you may be right. Sometimes It appears that we think we have advanced so much that human nature has changed. We also fail to study history.
History repeats itself (IMHO) for one of two reasons:
1.The "We're too smart for that to happen to us" mentality.
2.Failue to study history.

We are then suprised when the same thing happens to us that has happend every time a government is given unrestrained powers.
25 posted on 10/14/2004 5:43:45 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Thermalseeker
Director of Homeland Security
Same mission as the KGB - and, it appears, the same mentality.
26 posted on 10/14/2004 5:45:53 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

Yup, George Bush probably sounded, to some, like a bit of a religious nut when he said "I think Freedom comes from God", but that was the opinion of the signers of the Declaration of Indpenendence, as you clearly point out.

I also caught Kerry's reference to "the courts". What happened to Kerry was he caught himself. He wanted to say he was for ALL rights, so he started naming the Bill of Rights amendments. Only then he probably realized that the right to an abortion does not come from any amendment. It comes from "emanations from penumbras" of bits and pieces of a few different amendments, which the Supreme Court could see and gather up and package as a "right to privacy".

The court, BTW, did not find a "right to choose". It found a "right to privacy", of which it determined the right to abortion to be a part.


27 posted on 10/14/2004 5:48:03 AM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux ("I'll have the moo goo gai pan without the pan, and some pans.")
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To: All

Have to hop out for a while and try and get some work done today. Just wanted to know if anyone else caught this one.


28 posted on 10/14/2004 5:48:08 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
Oh what a tangled web we weave....
Kind of difficult to pick your way through that one!
I wonder if deep inside he felt a twinge of panic.
29 posted on 10/14/2004 5:50:48 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: Just mythoughts

American Revolution part two on the horizon folks."

Yeh I heard it too, but passed over it thinking, oh well, its just the way things are. I am afraid that the "revolution" is being done against us. We are so so far from what we were as a country and it won't be undone until we all get our kids out of the govt. schools that do not teach the principles that made/make (which?) our country great......


30 posted on 10/14/2004 5:51:04 AM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: wequalswinner
"American Revolution part two on the horizon folks."

"Yeh I heard it too, but passed over it thinking, oh well, its just the way things are. I am afraid that the "revolution" is being done against us. We are so so far from what we were as a country and it won't be undone until we all get our kids out of the govt. schools that do not teach the principles that made/make (which?) our country great......"


The key, the core of what sets this nation apart from all others is the foundation upon which the Constitution was established upon.

Rights endowed by the Creator, no man/government can take.

What the leftist, liberals, or what ever name they use to hide their system of belief under is at its base to replace the Creator with themselves. They are 'gods' they give and they take the very "RIGHTS", usurping authority destroying the very foundation of this nation.

Reminds me of the history of the French Revolution, opposite of the American Revolution.

The mind has become the object of slavery, and JFKerry himself told us last night the tool of the revolution "faith without deeds".

Faith in him/government, works are taxes. JFKerry proclaimed himself 'god', asked us to put our faith into him and he will care for us with our own money.
31 posted on 10/14/2004 6:01:42 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: IamConservative
"1) "Abortion" is not a right. The word appears nowhere in the constituion."

You obviously have not read Roe v Wade.

The Supreme Court recognized the inalienable right of "privacy," citing incorrectly Amendment XIV as the constitutional basis for the right of privacy when it should have been Amendment IX.

Then the Supreme Court, in a lenghty incorrect analysis, said that there was no way to confer the right of privacy and citizenship to fetus that could not survive outside a woman's body.

Thus during the first three months of pregnancy, government could not regulate the action of an abortion because medical procedures in 1972 were now safe enough for a woman to make the decision on her own whether to have an abortion.

After the third month of pregnancy, the state then could regulate the action of an abortion by requiring, for instance, that a woman have the abortion at a "licensed" facility only, in order to "protect" her health.

At some point, near the end of a preganancy, the state could then prohibit an abortion because the fetus is now "viable," and is conferred all of the "privileges and immunities" of any other human being and/or citizen.

So, the bottomline is the Supreme Court has declared a fetus a non-human being, nothing more than tissue inside a woman's body, similar to a gall bladder, that can be removed at her discretion, without government interference.

What has to change to end the brutality and horror of abortion is to confer the "rights" of a human being to a fetus at conception.

Then a woman could not make the unilateral decision to kill another human being that resides temporarily in her body, that she could not create on her own or came with her body upon her birth, similar to her arm.

only be ammended by legislative process, not a rogue judge"

Ths is not an accurate statement. Again, I don't think you have read the U.S. Constitution.

ARTICLE V

Amendments

The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this constitution, or on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three-fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress: Provided,

32 posted on 10/14/2004 6:05:35 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: IamConservative
2) The constitution can only be ammended by legislative process, not a rogue judge.

I'd really like to agree with you on this point, but the reality is that "rogue judges" have been altering our Constitution incrementally for years, and our Congress has done nothing about it. A partial result of their "tinkering" has resulted in millions of the unborn being murdered.

The fact that someone running for the highest office in our country has a view of our Constitution as nothing more than a document that the Judiciary can add or subtract from is frightening.

The fact that a good portion of Americans think he's right shows what liberal academics have done to the students in our school system.

That leaves us with the question of what do we do to Justices who have unconstitutionally changed our Constitution?

33 posted on 10/14/2004 6:06:37 AM PDT by Noachian (A Democrat, by definition, is a Socialist.)
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To: gunnygail
American Revolution part two on the horizon folks.

It is already here...the shouting has been going on since 2000, the shoving has started with demonratic thugs invading Republican HQs, and the shooting part will begin when the demonrats realize that they lost the WH again!

PS - I would consider it part 3

34 posted on 10/14/2004 6:23:05 AM PDT by texson66 ("Tyranny is yielding to the lust of the governing." - Lord Moulton)
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To: GrandEagle
Yep, I too yelled at my TV, "our rights are endowed by our Creator, not by our courts, Senator!"

But a couple of generations have now gone through public schools without being taught about our Declaration or our Constitution. Even many members of "the greatest generation" seem to have bought into Kerry's secularist totalitarian philosophy. God save us.

35 posted on 10/14/2004 6:33:54 AM PDT by shhrubbery!
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To: Aquinasfan

Appealing to the yoga practitioners??


36 posted on 10/14/2004 7:14:55 AM PDT by Twinkie
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To: tahiti

"The Congress, whenever two-thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this constitution, or on the application of the legislatures of two-thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three-fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress: Provided,"

Thank you for making my point. This is a legislative process not a judicial.


37 posted on 10/14/2004 1:31:29 PM PDT by IamConservative (People with courage and character always seem sinister to the rest.)
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To: GrandEagle

Mrs. B-cubed caught that one right away. The guy just ain't American.


38 posted on 10/14/2004 1:37:54 PM PDT by b-cubed (one Washingtonian that wants to move back to California. Hard to believe, huh?)
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To: b-cubed
The guy just ain't American.
Very Little surprises me anymore but I was stunned.
Much like our supreme court judges publicly announcing their intention to "consider" other foreign courts rulings when they make decisions, I could not believe that he would actually say it.
39 posted on 10/14/2004 2:12:58 PM PDT by GrandEagle
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