'Tis sad, but true...
...SOMEthing went terribly wrong, SOMEwhere.
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Posted on 10/13/2004 12:54:03 AM PDT by politicket
Edited on 10/13/2004 1:07:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Excerpt:
Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/3107
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.
The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.
According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.
A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.
The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.
The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?
Actually, I'd love to see our Swiftboat Vets come out with a "Late edition" political advertisement on this.
Because the man who should have won is a conservative and, of course, Carter had been lobbying them since the Peace Accord (he took credit for...) this was a chance for the Nobel people to put it back in Bush's face. Disgraceful, but not as disgraceful as this black woman they gave an award to this year and is now saying white people created AIDs to kill all the blacks...
>>"DD-215's are only issued by the Board of Correction of Naval Records."<<
Not so. Most personnel officers at major afloat commands or at servicing Personnel Support Activities/Detachments ashore keep a small number of 215s on hand to correct 214s after they've been issued.
I have one correcting my pay entry base date. And, while I was still a Personnelman, I can recall having prepared a few. The key to this is what was being corrected, who had the record, and who's directing the change. From what I see on his 215, our hero had added a few awards that were either not yet awarded at the time of his panicked retreat or overlooked by the young Sailor who prepared the form.
>>"there is also no such medal as a Silver Star with a "V". The Silver star is issued for valor, so there is no need for a "V".
There is a Bronze Star with a "V", however. Makes me wonder exactly which medal he was awarded. "<<
I'd simply chalk this one up to an admin error on the part of the clerk typing the thing up and a failure of both Kerry and the personnel officer to catch it. It's meaningless, really. He could have had the "Starfleet Command Medal for Something Really, Really Signficant (with Vulcan Clusters)" and it would equally meaningless.
Just another error in this comedy of errors.
Alas, we'll know nothing until the records are released.
Sign the 180 and be man for once, Mr. Kerry!
Heluva bombshell dropped in the last sentence.
bttt
Fortunately, it did not work, due to the fake memo scam.
Notice how kerry looked in the debate last night? Several comments: “It’s two hours after the event. I don’t remember many specifics. I do remember that Bush was personable, upbeat, human and articulate (he seemed to have gained about 20 IQ points since debate #1) while Kerry was near-funereal. He even looked like a mortician. Where’s the Man Tan when you need it?”--Kaus or “Bush was confident, Kerry looked exhausted. Did he spend the day visiting hurricane victims or something? Hasn’t he been off the trail for like, 72 hours? What, was he up late watching Edwards on Jay Leno?”--Geraghty
He knows that what the vets in "stolen honor" are going to say; and perhaps has an understanding of possible questions they are going to going to ask rhetorically. He is worried. And he should be.
BTTT
"Kerry was near-funereal."
Yes, he was. His eyes were so puffy, and even the make up made him look like a body in a casket.
"He is worried. And he should be."
good observation
I have been looking at threads to see if there was any more news about his discharge, etc. All in good time, I suppose . . . It must be hard on him, waiting for the various pieces of his past life to fall into place so that we all can see the true picture . . . I don't see how he can live with himself.
Keep your thumb on this thread. I suspect it will become very important soon.
The wheels are coming off of the Kerry Campaign. I hope that part of what Bush Whispered into Kerry's ear last night after the debates was "John, will live to regret your remarks about Mary Cheney tonight..."
"Keep your thumb on this thread. "
Thanks
Bump
Limbaugh Just brought up Kerry's military records. It's started...
"It's started..."
drat, I missed it! Had Hannity on for a while following Rush's program, and he did not "tease" it yet.
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just got home - what's up with this? I can't read thru it fast enough...
He is a traitor, not much of a war hero. How can so many people be wrong about this man??? I sure don't know. Nor do I get it.
He is the Benedict Arnold of our time.
"not much of a war hero"
an understatement for sure . . .
probably worse IN ACTUAL EFFECT than Benedict Arnold. After all, the Brits did not get West Point, which he planned to betray. But the Commies did get Viet Nam.
It is absolutely incredible that the world goes on treating this election as just another horse race -- as though Kerry were an honorable candidate for President. As though the choice between him and President Bush is reducible to debating points. . .
I am waiting for Kerry's chickens to come home to roost -- and maybe the use of the chicken metaphor is not a mere pun . . .
I know the RAT sheeple look at Kerry through rose colored glasses...but how can anyone HONESTLY say they'd vote for a man who turned his back on his fellow comrades in arms as a young man and will turn his back on me and my fellow soldiers if he's elected president? Can we really as a nation afford to find out the answer to that question?
"RAT sheeple look at Kerry through rose colored glasses"
Methinks it is worse than that. Their glasses are fine. They just would rather have the Democrats in POWER -- for whatever personal reason/gain that causes them to vote for them.
The consequences on the nation at large, the world at large, on our fighting forces?
These do not enter into their calculation -- not the convinced Kerry voter. IOW, they do not CARE.
The politicians among them, will mouth concern about our troops because they think it resounds well with the voters. Otherwise, they would be trashing the military as is their natural wont . . . see Clinton, see Kerry after he got back from VN, see . . . etc. etc.
me too.
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