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Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
New York Sun ^ | 10/13/2004 | BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun

Posted on 10/13/2004 12:54:03 AM PDT by politicket

Edited on 10/13/2004 1:07:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Excerpt:

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge

BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004
URL: http://www.nysun.com/article/3107

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: discharge; dishonorabledischarg; kerry; kerrydischarge; lipscomb; lurch; militaryrecord; napalminthemorning; navydischarge; thomaslipscomb; traitor
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To: mabelkitty

This could get very interesting. I have a feeling that the MSM will ignore it though.


261 posted on 10/13/2004 7:19:27 AM PDT by JennyG
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To: Goat Locker Freeper

Somebody needs to respond to this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1243687/posts?page=36#36


262 posted on 10/13/2004 7:19:35 AM PDT by js1138 (Speedy architect of perfect labyrinths.)
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To: politicket

BTTT


263 posted on 10/13/2004 7:19:48 AM PDT by EdReform (Have you seen FAHRENHYPE 9/11? - www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1240926/posts)
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To: HannaUSA

Same thing for GWB. There was some hotshot-in-his-own-mind writer (Village Voice's Perlstein, I think) who came around and answered Freepers' questions for an afternoon. I asked him point-blank what was the most undeniable lie that Bush made, VERBATIM.

He didn't come up with anything from Bush, only some lame EPA report.


264 posted on 10/13/2004 7:19:50 AM PDT by Nataku X (Live near a liberal college? Want to demoralize Dems? FRmail me to join in Operation Reverse Moby!)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Why is that I get such a sense of satisfaction that someone is letting the facts tell the story in a newspaper?

Facts are so much more interesting than fiction when it concerns news items of the day...


265 posted on 10/13/2004 7:20:28 AM PDT by wrbones (Where'd I put my tin foil hat....)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

This makes no sense. Carter wasn't president in 1985 -- Reagan was.


266 posted on 10/13/2004 7:20:49 AM PDT by Another Thought
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To: SkyPilot
Wow - what's that anvil doing up there?

267 posted on 10/13/2004 7:22:29 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

btt!!!!!!


268 posted on 10/13/2004 7:22:46 AM PDT by Soaring Feather (~Poetry is my forte.~)
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To: Duke Nukum
"A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge."

This sentence strikes me as...odd.

Lipscomb was lobbing one to the Kerry camp over the fat part of the "Nixon and Colson set me up" plate. Camp Kerry didn't swing. Yet when Kerry's FBI files were stolen from his biographer they were all over any connection to Nixon they could make. Democrats love to go after Nixon like Barry Bonds after a flat slider.

Isn't it interesting that the Kerry campaign's bat is still on its shoulder? This was very artful questioning by Tom Lipscomb.

269 posted on 10/13/2004 7:24:24 AM PDT by Fatalis (The Libertarian Party is to politics as Esperanto is to linguistics.)
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To: visitor

I appreciate the info and it only points out that it is easy to get confused using these terms. Perhaps I should have not written what I did in upper case since it may have been seen as disrespective towards others service. I was trying to make a point about Dishonorable Discharges and Bad Conduct Discharges not applying to officers but only to enlisted. I guess I did not make my point clear.


270 posted on 10/13/2004 7:24:42 AM PDT by ops33 (Retired USAF Senior Master Sergeant)
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To: Blogger
Drudge is awake. He's posting anything BUT this story. Guess he's mad he didn't scoop it.

I have faith Drudge will put it up and he'll probably have something to add. Will the Old Media ignore this till the election, you bet! The sooner we have a Republican make the charge, the better!

271 posted on 10/13/2004 7:25:24 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: politicket
If this story gets "legs" in the MSM (and that's a BIG if) it puts the Kerry camp in a classic dilemma.

If the story is false, all he has to do is sign the Form 180 and release the information disproving it.

MSM trumpets, "Slanderous Kerry Allegations Proved False!"

Kerry waltzes into the White House.

If it is true, however----

Any bets that Karl Rowe knows EXACTLY what is in those documents?
272 posted on 10/13/2004 7:27:03 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: bahblahbah
Thanks , I got right in, no request for a registration,...
273 posted on 10/13/2004 7:27:22 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

"This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service.

BUMP!


274 posted on 10/13/2004 7:29:42 AM PDT by The Mayor (The Lord is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.)
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To: politicket
I and most freepers are unable to investigate this issue, but someone must do it. We cannot expect the media to research this claim.
It is not an issue that can be allowed to drop.
Can you imagine how serious this will be if after a Kerry victory, it is learned that the man received a less than honorable discharge from the service.
275 posted on 10/13/2004 7:32:25 AM PDT by quadrant
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To: Fatalis
Lipscomb was lobbing one to the Kerry camp over the fat part of the "Nixon and Colson set me up" plate.

And Kerry knows that the pitcher's next one might be so fat that the ball hits the bat.*

('That's Zamora', with apologies to Dean Martin.)
276 posted on 10/13/2004 7:35:17 AM PDT by Mike Fieschko ("Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra?")
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To: quadrant

bttt

More comentary

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/1243670/posts?page=26


277 posted on 10/13/2004 7:35:43 AM PDT by Truth Table
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To: Grampa Dave
I think that Arnold like a lot us feel that Nixon was framed and removed from office by the MSM and the Washington Compost. The lies of Woodward et al about Deep Throat, now are starting to gel with a lot of us.

That was my feeling !

278 posted on 10/13/2004 7:36:08 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (A Proud member of Free Republic ~~The New Face of the Fourth Estate since 1996.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well.

Couldn't we look at his tax returns for the years surrounding the medals reissue and determine if he magically started receiving benefits?

279 posted on 10/13/2004 7:36:19 AM PDT by tagatose
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping!


280 posted on 10/13/2004 7:36:36 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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