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To: smobey
"We didn't charge for admission, didn't demand that they think like us, dress like us or submit to humiliation to be accepted, much less did we prefer the company of our own sex and denigrate the other. We looked out for each other and still do. Oddly most of us are very happy and successful. Not one of us has left his or her spouse after admitting his or her homosexuality like so many of the professional greeks I've know."

Um, I think that describes my fraternity experience and the experiences for most of my friends in other houses.

The charge of admission you refer to is called rent. IT paid our mortgage, utilities, meals and the other assorted expenses of living. It was cheaper than university housing or off campus houses and allowed folks to save money to pay for tuition and books. Yeah, we were real bastards...

We didn't dress alike - I was the only stereotypical preppy person in the whole chapter, everyone else was usually just jeans and t-shirts or whatever else floated our boats.

We didn;t think alike. My roommate was the President of the campus Democrats and across the hall from us were the Presidents of the Republican and Libertarian groups. Then there were the folks (the majority of the chapter) who thought the whole lot of us political folk were nuts.

We didn't submit to humiliation to be accepted, any pranks usually occurred after initiation.

Nor did we prefer the company of our own sex and denigrate the other. If you couldn't behave like a gentleman, you didn't get in. If you got in and couldn;t continue to behave, you were asked to leave.

As to "[leaving]his or her spouse after admitting his or her homosexuality like so many of the professional greeks [you] know," my first question is what in the hell was a professional greek? Were my friends and I only armatures? Is there a professional greek circuit that I can clue my friends who are still in school to, so that they do not be greek for free when there is evidently money in it?
166 posted on 10/08/2004 4:18:26 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
Were my friends and I only armatures?

The moving part of an electromagnetic device such as a relay, buzzer, or loudspeaker.

176 posted on 10/08/2004 4:24:15 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: radicalamericannationalist
I'm gonna guess you aren't from the deep south. That's the society I know. Your description of frat life has to be from elsewhere, if only because Greek houses are extraordinarily expensive around here.
I can only speak from what I know in a society where there is 60-90% participation, and people make a life of it.
I meant Greeks who are in the professions listed. But I've certainly known plenty of professional Greeks.
(what's an armature?)
191 posted on 10/08/2004 4:35:14 PM PDT by smobey
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