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Americans United for Separation of Church and States, a group that monitors politics from the pulpit, says churches, like all tax-exempt organizations, "absolutely prohibited from supporting or opposing candidates for elected public office."

Unless it's a black church supporting Kerry.

1 posted on 10/04/2004 6:11:50 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks

Or any church hosting RATS candidates or mouthpieces. Can we get some investigation and action on applying the rules across the board?


2 posted on 10/04/2004 6:14:19 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian (Vote the RATS out!!!)
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To: kattracks

Can our government regulate public prayer?

Woof.


3 posted on 10/04/2004 6:18:05 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: kattracks

Interesting article




RELIGIOUS FREEDOM



Did John Edwards cross the IRS line when he used church pulpit to lay out Kerry-Edwards political platform?



Orlando, FL – The front page of the Orlando Sentinel reported that Senator John Edwards spoke this past Sunday (July 19) from the pulpit of St. Mark AME Church in Orlando, telling the mostly black congregation what life would be like if the Kerry-Edwards ticket were elected to the White House. No one complained about whether the church crossed the line. But when Dr. Jerry Falwell expressed his personal opinion about supporting President George W. Bush in a non-church publication, the liberal group known as the Americans United for Separation of Church and State cried foul.



It appears that some people have two rulebooks, one for liberal and one for conservative politics. The fact is history does not support the baseless threats hurled against conservative churches. Since 1934, when the lobbying restriction was added to the Internal Revenue Code (“IRC”), not one church has ever lost its tax-exempt status.



Since 1954, when the political endorsement/opposition prohibition was added, only one church has ever lost its IRS letter ruling, but even that church did not lose its tax-exempt status. That case involved the Church at Pierce Creek in New York, which placed full-page ads in USA Today and the Washington Times opposing then-Governor Bill Clinton for President. The ads were sponsored by the Church and donations were solicited. The IRS revoked the Church’s letter ruling, but not its tax-exempt status. The Church sued, and the court ruled that churches are tax exempt without an IRS letter ruling. The Court noted that “because of the unique treatment churches receive under the Internal Revenue Code, the impact of the revocation is likely to be more symbolic than substantial.” Not even this Church lost its tax-exempt status, and not one donor was affected by this incident.



Pastors can preach on biblical, moral and social issues, such as traditional marriage and abortion, can urge the congregation to register and vote, can overview the positions of the candidates, and may personally endorse candidates. Churches may distribute nonpartisan voter guides, register voters, provide transportation to the polls, hold candidate forums, and introduce visiting candidates.



Mathew D. Staver, President and General Counsel of Liberty Counsel, who has written many articles and two books on political activity of nonprofit organizations, stated: “Pastors should throw away their muzzles and replace them with megaphones. It is far more likely to be struck by lightening twice than for churches to lose their tax-exempt status over political issues."



What can a church legally do with regard to political speech? Resources are available at Liberty Council's web site.

http://www.commongoode.homestead.com/Religion/EdwardsPoliticalSpeechInChurch.html


4 posted on 10/04/2004 6:25:20 AM PDT by KidGlock
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To: kattracks
What was Kerry doing in the pulpit yesterday with Jesse Jackson (in Ohio, I believe)? I'm sure the Americans United for the Separation of Church and State will be filing a complaint this morning.
5 posted on 10/04/2004 6:28:36 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kattracks

Can Churches pray for the dissolving of the IRS?


6 posted on 10/04/2004 6:31:10 AM PDT by frog_jerk_2004
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To: kattracks
A clue for Patrick J. Mahoney.

If you feel the need to ask permission from the government to pray about anything then you should be pickin cotton in Mississippi.
8 posted on 10/04/2004 6:33:24 AM PDT by Tweaker
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To: kattracks

I PRAY that no church asked the irs for permission to do anything!

That would be done ONLY by a 'church' of man (?) NOT by a Church of G_d!


10 posted on 10/04/2004 6:44:26 AM PDT by steplock
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To: kattracks

This is brilliant!

How can the IRS win this one?


11 posted on 10/04/2004 6:47:07 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Hey! They've got lettuce today. Oops, that's not lettuce...)
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To: kattracks
Just abolish the IRS, and this problem is SOLVED. Churches can espouse whatever candidate they want to under the Bill of Rights, and NO government entity has the right to tell them otherwise.
14 posted on 10/04/2004 7:06:03 AM PDT by MarcoPolo
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Last Sunday while in church I bowed my head in silence and prayed for the reelection of President Bush. Then I leaned over and whispered to my wife that I just prayed for the reelection of President Bush. Now I pray that I did not break any Federal laws.


15 posted on 10/04/2004 7:07:10 AM PDT by Rock N Jones
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To: kattracks

Yes, a church can pray for anything they wish. It is a religious act and no governmental body can enforce anything that "prevents the free exercise thereof."

In fact, a preacher can preach a sermon in which he says, "I think that George W. Bush is God's choice candidate." It is a sermon.

What a church body cannot do, as I understand it, is have their official governing body issue a church position statement that specifically says, "XYZ Church Official Endorses GWBush for Pres. of the USA."

Personally, I think they should be able to do the above if they wish. The IRS says I'm wrong. I don't think I am.

Takes your picks.


19 posted on 10/04/2004 7:15:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army and Proudly Supporting BUSH/CHENEY 2004!)
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To: kattracks

Personally, I'm getting tired of groups such as AUSCS and their efforts to stiffle the First Amendment rights of Church groups. The Constitution clearly says that the right to worship freely shall not be infringed, which is clearly the threat here by those who silence preachers in the pulpit from making political statements.

I am starting to think that we ought to just do what they are trying to force us not to do. Maybe they will take us to court and maybe they will win, but at least we will have stood up for that in which we believe.

We need to start waking up and realize that these hypocrites are violating our God-given right not to have the government interfere in how we worship. THAT is what the Establishment Clause was all about in the first place.


20 posted on 10/04/2004 7:16:05 AM PDT by William Martel (Foreign stupidity makes America stronger.)
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To: EdReform

BTTT


24 posted on 10/04/2004 9:41:37 AM PDT by EdReform (Free Republic - helping to keep our country a free republic. Thank you for your financial support!)
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To: kattracks

This is the typical double standard. Of course, the ACLU would never take the conservative side.

What I want to know is why Islamic mosques are given tax exempt status while their "Moo-Lahs" are preaching murder and overthrow of the government? How can we put up with this sh*t when Christian churches aren't even allowed to state a preference in a political race?


27 posted on 10/04/2004 9:47:27 AM PDT by ArmedNReady ( George Bush has Global Test-icles!)
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To: kattracks

Why do these churches any more need to ask that question than the liberal Democrat black churches which continually provide a forum to leftist Dems??

How about the "Reverend" Jackson and "Reverend" Sharpeton??


29 posted on 10/04/2004 9:49:57 AM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: kattracks

Why not pray for Bush and Kerry. For Bush that he continue his work and for Kerry that God change his heart.


32 posted on 10/04/2004 11:09:16 AM PDT by Raycpa (Alias, VRWC_minion,)
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