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Jobs worth $ 210 billion to be outsourced to India in 2005
DeepikaGlobal ^ | Monday, October 4, 2004

Posted on 10/03/2004 4:22:37 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Hoplite

Probably phony stats ginned up by the trilateralists who sponsored Clinton's war against the Serbs, in order to facilitate oil pipelines from the Caspian Sea. Connect the dots.


41 posted on 10/03/2004 5:12:51 PM PDT by Torie
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To: oceanview
They're doing better than I find comfortable so a strong India on their flank isn't the worst thing that could happen.
42 posted on 10/03/2004 5:16:23 PM PDT by Fatalis
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To: Hoplite
and can happily report that despite a recession in 2000, median household income continues it's march upwards

Go to the BLS website and select "Total Private Average Hourly Earnings, 1982 Dollars - Seasonally Adjusted - CES0500000049" and you'll see that wages, in 1982 dollars, have gone up from $7.84/hr in 1982 to $8.26 an hour today.

Now that doesn't accout for 2 people working in the home versus 1 or 1.5 (someone working part time). But a 40 cent an hour raise over 10 years?
43 posted on 10/03/2004 5:16:55 PM PDT by lelio
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To: snowsislander

This is from a source in reference to this article....it is a survey and seven countries are involved....not just the USA.

The survey is based on responses from 43 financial institutions based in seven countries and included 13 of the top 25 financial institutions in the world by market capitalization.


44 posted on 10/03/2004 5:17:34 PM PDT by imfrmdixie
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To: lelio

there is no place to run to - alot of people I know who were lucky enough to have security clearances are piling into government work - either directly, or indirectly through government contractors and sub-contractors. that's the most stable work out there right now. all the free traders pay their salaries through their taxes now.

the problem is, any new VC money coming into the system (especially second phase funding, past the startup phase) include some component of offshore technology staff - or you don't get funded. So new business plans factor that in from the start, the jobs never appear in the US right out of the gate. I see that alot with people I know in semis - running a fab in the US for a new venture is the joke of the industry now.


45 posted on 10/03/2004 5:18:40 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview
sure, people are working, they are moving from $70K/yr tech jobs to working at Lowes.

This is just pain not true.

The average wage in recently-created jobs was slightly higher than the wage in all existing jobs, according to the Labor Department. The only way for this to be true is either:

1. People are not, on average, going down in wage, or

2. New jobs are all very close to the mean and previously lost high-paying positions are not being filled.

The number new jobs is high enough so that I believe the distribution is the same as existing jobs.

46 posted on 10/03/2004 5:21:53 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: Willie Green

"In 2005, Deloitte expects the top 100 global financial companies to offshore..."

It doesn't say what the breakdown is by country.


47 posted on 10/03/2004 5:24:15 PM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (MAKE SURE YOU ARE CURRENTLY REGISTERED AND VOTE Nov 2nd!)
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To: lelio

That's still a real increase, and with a CPI that overstates inflation. And the biggest increases are among those who don't get paid based on hourly wages, which are not included, and are an ever higher percentage of the work force, and it includes part time workers.


48 posted on 10/03/2004 5:24:44 PM PDT by Torie
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To: oceanview
the problem is, any new VC money coming into the system (especially second phase funding, past the startup phase) include some component of offshore technology staff - or you don't get funded. So new business plans factor that in from the start, the jobs never appear in the US right out of the gate.

Yes, I've seen that in a number of articles (BW Online, or Forbes or whatever). The idea is that some of the key players in the VC are themselves Indians--it is just a sop or a jobs program to their fellow countrymen. It will change, it will just take time. E.g. how well is Sun Microsystems doing over the last several years, Computer Associates has nuked itself, so on.

The problem is that India is a Third-World country and so does not have the cultural mores that the US does.
I fear that the 'patriotic nepotism' (to coin a phrase) prevalent in much of the rest of the world will screw US businesses that naively belive (hey, nice cadence!) that profit motives are equally important to all players.

49 posted on 10/03/2004 5:31:46 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Teslas Pigeon

What don’t they consider helping me by taking less in salary so I don’t have to pay so much for the goods and services I want?


So are you willing to take a pay cut too? Say from earning a descent living with health benefits to working for Manpower for $9.00 to support your family? Don't get too cocky - it could happen to you too!


50 posted on 10/03/2004 5:32:47 PM PDT by RepublicanHippy
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To: Torie
and with a CPI that overstates inflation

Overstates? The CPI, according to FAQ, doesn't account for the purchase price of a house, but instead relies on rental costs. What have rents done in the past couple of years versus the cost of buying a home?

And to add to that: the CPI numbers game is rigged such that if something in your "basket of goods" gets too expensive you swap it out with a substitute product. So costs never really go up that much.
51 posted on 10/03/2004 5:40:00 PM PDT by lelio
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To: lelio

The CPI for most of the period, understated the swap thingie, and still does to some extent. It also still understates the value of good enhancement. The CPI used to overstate by almost 1% per annum these factors, and still does by about half of that. It is difficult for a static stat to capture the dynamism of product change and enhancement. Think about "ethical" drugs, for example. Oh dear.


52 posted on 10/03/2004 5:46:00 PM PDT by Torie
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To: oceanview

"well at least we know where you stand regarding your fellow americans."

Yes, I stand for freedom for my fellow Americans. It is an interesting concept, look it up in the dictionary sometime. I also have enough respect to capitalize the word American.

"funny, I don't see you complaining that Carly Fiorina earns 8 figures per year - I guess that's OK with you, you are willing to pay for that and the compensation for the rest of the CEOs and the executives suite."

Since you have no idea who I am there would be no reason for you to see me complaining about anything. And yes, freedom and liberty are “ok” with me. You obviously have a big problem with these concepts. I am not so insecure about my own life and accomplishments I envy others who have achieved financial success.


53 posted on 10/03/2004 6:00:53 PM PDT by Teslas Pigeon
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To: RepublicanHippy

If I am required to take a pay cut due to the fact the goods or services I assist in producing are not selling that well, I am not going to complain it is the fault of someone in India.


54 posted on 10/03/2004 6:04:56 PM PDT by Teslas Pigeon
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To: RepublicanHippy

they never think its going to happen to them. I suspect alot of people who post like this have "safe" jobs in the public sector, or are retired with full pensions and medical.


55 posted on 10/03/2004 6:06:37 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: oceanview

Of course since you have no idea who I am you don’t know if “it” has happened to me. Being downsized, outsourced, or laid off is most likely not a fun thing. But to strike out at the liberties and freedom that make America great is an inappropriate response. By the way, did you ever notice that when people complain about outsourcing, it is usually about outsourcing to people who are somewhat darker skinned then they are. Just an observation.

By the way, do you describe firemen and policemen as “have(ing) "safe" jobs in the public sector”?


56 posted on 10/03/2004 6:20:35 PM PDT by Teslas Pigeon
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To: oceanview

Exactly. Or they own businesses that outsource, or have stock in companies that outsource.


57 posted on 10/03/2004 6:22:13 PM PDT by RepublicanHippy
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To: oceanview

Not arguing for or against, but you do realize median is the numeric middle of families, not the average (mean)? Torie explicitly said median. Whether or not Top exec went from 12 million or 16 million will not change the median but it will the mean.


58 posted on 10/03/2004 6:27:08 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: RepublicanHippy

Risk management - Indian for "litigation free".


59 posted on 10/03/2004 6:27:53 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: grey_whiskers
You obviously have had some experience in this field. Outsourcing stinks. Especially for anything that requires business knowlege. Once you've outsourced something it becomes a black box. Except it's not garbage in - garbage out its good data in - garbage out.

Keep your enemies close and your programmers closer, or something like that.

60 posted on 10/03/2004 6:29:49 PM PDT by hedgie
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