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Jobs worth $ 210 billion to be outsourced to India in 2005
DeepikaGlobal ^ | Monday, October 4, 2004

Posted on 10/03/2004 4:22:37 PM PDT by Willie Green

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To: Torie

Have you noticed that the only health care procedures going up in price are those procedures covered by insurance?

Lasik and cosmetic surgery prices are steadily declining.

Amazing what happens when you have to spend your own money to pay for things, isn't it?

Doctors are forced to compete for your business.


281 posted on 10/07/2004 5:31:17 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Torie

It's amazing to me how people fail to grasp the most basic concept of a market...the market is in place to compete for the consumer dollar. Most people in here believe that the consumer dollar should be forced to maintain a non-competitive market alive, and they think that's a GOOD thing.

Then they turn around and argue that the conservative thing to do is to have the government control the natural ebb and flow of industry, employee wages, and the ability of business owners to expand their business as they see fit.

They are demanding socialism in the name of "conservative values".

Oy vey.


282 posted on 10/07/2004 5:37:23 AM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: jb6
210 billion and you only save 700 million?

saving on average, 700 million dollars
283 posted on 10/07/2004 6:55:08 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: jb6
We can be self-sustaining and trade our surplus

Wasn't that what Gorbachev used to say?
284 posted on 10/07/2004 7:21:09 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: jb6
After all, they were near sighted and believed in tarrifs while the greatest industrial power on earth: England, was busy buying into Free Trade.

And at that time, the US was just the east coast, it had massive growth in land and population. How can you harp on ONE variable (tarriffs) and forget about the rest?
285 posted on 10/07/2004 7:23:37 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: Willie Green

Does anyone want to live in India? The answer is NO!!
Do the citizens of India need a better life?-------YES!!


286 posted on 10/07/2004 7:29:17 AM PDT by hgro (<i>)
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To: Torie

First off, Torie, forget KerryEdwards. Anybody who actually reads their campaign statements on the issue understands immediately that it will be more of the same, with a few showpiece tweaks that are meaningless...

PLUS a lot more spend-and-tax.

Like it or not, this issue is non-partisan--which is to say, neither Party has picked up on the significance of it, by and large.

However, Republicans in Wisconsin, and other industrial States, are decidedly running AWAY from Bush's positions on trade, which should be a signal, should Mankiw & Co. actually have ears and eyes.

Further, your intellectual quotient is a bit too high to refer to posters as "Luddites" and as 'wailing over a non-existent Golden Age.'

Here's something to chew on: at what point in time will America's chief export be Entertainment, and what will THAT say about this society?

There are concerns here which are far more significant than whether the UAW wins or loses another wage increase--or whether Carly Simon's comp package is "too high."

It has to do with the core values in the Republic, and it's a good time to re-examine them.

Finally, politicians can and must (unfortunately) have the final say, because only the Feds make trade policy.


287 posted on 10/07/2004 8:02:24 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Torie

ERRATUM: Should have been "Carly Fiorina", not "Carly Simon."


288 posted on 10/07/2004 8:03:41 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: 1rudeboy

That's not what I said--that "all" CEO's are like that.

Someone asked for a few examples of bozos in the CEO chair. I am sure there are more, just as I am sure that the vast majority of them, at least in small-/mid-cap businesses, are just fine folks who do their best for all parties.

But I'm not as easily convinced about the Fortune 100 guys, who seem to think that being 'transnational' exempts their organizations from certain responsibilities.

We could discuss that.


289 posted on 10/07/2004 8:06:57 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: aruanan

What's your point? I was addressing the alleged increase in IBM employment, not Kodak's troubles (which resulted from a horrific mis-judgment made in the CEO-suite about 15 years ago, by the way.)


290 posted on 10/07/2004 8:09:44 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: aruanan

What's your point? I was addressing the alleged increase in IBM employment, not Kodak's troubles (which resulted from a horrific mis-judgment made in the CEO-suite about 15 years ago, by the way.)


291 posted on 10/07/2004 8:12:44 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: Torie

The steel tariff situation was an excellent example of Goobermint incompetence and should not be used without a good deal of conditional language.

Looking at the price of steel over the last 12 months, one can discern easily that the bitching over the tariff was misplaced--demand simply went up, VERY fast, although Bush's tariff was designed to save West Virginia and Pennsylvania votes.

Ohio (and Wisconsin) manufacturers are STILL paying more for steel; but at least the overseas fabricators no longer have the advantage handed them by the nincompoop who designed the "tariff."


292 posted on 10/07/2004 8:20:45 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: mvpel
government regulations resulting in the encouragement of third-party payers, divorcing the price signals of health care services from the people who consume them, leading people to believe in the fairy tale of "free" health care, and thus causing the demand for a limited resource to skyrocket.

This is largely a tax issue and was the result of an agreement made in the 1940's between the auto industry, the UAW, and the Gummint (FDR's...)

The industry had to attract workers; the Gummint needed the industry's products (at the time, war materiel); and as a result, 'health insurance' became a deductible expense.

Later, Ted Kennedy fouled the water even more with some magic incantations on the 'self/vs.non-self'-insured regs.

You SHOULD be making a case for the National Retail Sales Tax, which would eliminate corporate taxes altogether, thus removing the gerrymandering of corporate "expenses."

293 posted on 10/07/2004 8:26:09 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
"Your assistance is not required for this distinction."

Oh? Then why in the world were you talking about financial auditors in your post to me? I never said anything about there being a shortage of financial auditors.

294 posted on 10/08/2004 9:30:54 AM PDT by MEGoody (Flush the Johns - vote Bush/Cheney 04)
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To: MEGoody

Because I said that 'any decent financial auditor' can do this job, and I meant it.

Standards and procedures audits are a PART of fin'l auditing, as they are a part of IT audits.

I will grant you that security audits within an IT network may require some technical smarts not commonly found in fin'l audit types; but then, so what? That expertise can be purchased for a brief period and the knowledge can be downloaded to a fin'l auditor who is not afraid to punch a few buttons.

The point I was trying to make, and which you seem to avoid understanding, is that this Critical Need is largely an invention of consultants...


295 posted on 10/08/2004 12:16:00 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
"Because I said that 'any decent financial auditor' can do this job, and I meant it."

I suppose if a financial auditor has enough IT background, the individual could audit IT security and the like. In general, however, when we hire IT auditors, we focus on candidates whose primary experience has been in the IT field.

296 posted on 10/08/2004 2:07:28 PM PDT by MEGoody (Flush the Johns - vote Bush/Cheney 04)
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To: LowCountryJoe
On this thread, we have confusion of median vs. mean, we learn more about anecdotal evidence, the UAW press release, semiconductors, how our manyfacturing sector is not expanding quickly enough, and the strange notion that off-shoring jobs causes wages to go up, except when it causes wages to go down.
297 posted on 10/10/2004 10:50:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: LowCountryJoe

Oh, and lest I forget . . . more "evidence" suggesting that no one is studying engineering, causing me to discover that engineering grads are the most highly paid, and in #228 (later pulled) the ridiculous claim that the US lost a military air exercise with India because our radar software was outsourced.


298 posted on 10/10/2004 11:00:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ramonan

just to let you know, Attila the Hun was definately not Roman trained (The leading Roman general against Atilla was Hun trained, however); romans mainly outsourced their military to captured german tribes.

Secondly this is not just our war, it is a world war on terror. Its their war on the West, not just the US.


299 posted on 10/12/2004 11:55:10 AM PDT by nkgmandril
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