Thanks for posting this thread, Alas. I'm watching Fox News Sunday now. They're debating who won the debate.
Another current thread from the Manchester Union Leader says the question is not 'Who won the debate?', but rather, 'Who made more sense?'. He gives examples of Kerry talking in circles:
>Nuclear proliferation is the biggest problem facing the Unitd States, and yet we shouldn’t have invaded Iraq, even though I believed the intelligence showing Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
>This war is a mistake, but no, the men and women dying in Iraq are not dying for a mistake. We shouldn’t “outsource” the fighting to non-American troops in Afghanistan, and yet we should be using more European troops to fight in Iraq.
>This is the wrong war and the wrong time, and yet I’ll be able to convince the French and Germans to join this wrong war at the wrong time.
>I’ll never let anyone veto a pre-emptive action by the United States, yet pre-emptive action must pass the “global test” first.
>It’s best to have a coalition assembled when facing down an enemy, but I want to deal one on one with North Korea, instead of multilaterally with China, Japan, Russia and South Korea on our side.
Those are great talking points.
Thanks for your post #17, I sit here shaking my head in amazement. It looks as if style won the first debate. Who cares if what kerry says makes any sense, he said it with authority. YUCK