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To: supercat
I used to be a pretty hard leftist, but I would not say that I was ever a self-destructive suicide-mongering freak.

I am so happy that you have come over to the "light". Earlier in my life I was optimistic about people changing their colors when they were shown the error of their ways, but the hard-left has done their best to eliminate Right or Wrong and this leaves many liberals comfortable to fall back on what they "feel" is right, regardless of objective reality. You are lucky to have grasped objective reality, but many will not.

Liberalism is entropic, and it will carry many with it who cannot escape its decay. I'm glad you are out, but I stand by my believe that the lard-left are self-destructive (entropic) and that they ultimately can't even value their own life because at its farthest reaches, this requires them to acknowledge themselves beyond the pack (anti-socialist) and requires them to place objective value on their own life.

This is why liberals and islamofascists are so close to each other ideologically. It is the reason why the MSM intrinsically takes up the plight of the Islamic expremist killers and gives them any credence at all.

Were only there a pill that could clarify your objective reality. The Matrix may have been an interesting metaphor for the liberal thought "black hole" that swallows reality for many.

Sorry to board - this should have beem a private reply. :-)

55 posted on 10/01/2004 5:02:41 PM PDT by Nice50BMG (they say the the scope adds 10 pounds.)
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To: Nice50BMG
Earlier in my life I was optimistic about people changing their colors when they were shown the error of their ways, but the hard-left has done their best to eliminate Right or Wrong and this leaves many liberals comfortable to fall back on what they "feel" is right, regardless of objective reality.

I would view the relationship between modern liberalism and reality as having certain parallels to that between geocentrism and reality.

The geocentrists had a view of the universe which mostly "worked". No matter that many parts of it defied Occam's Razor; to a geocentrist everything somehow made "sense".

Since I'm no longer a liberal, I can no longer figure out quite how certain absurd things which "made sense" could possibly have done so, but I do still have something of a sense. I think one of the key elements, which Bush may be wise to, is that a liberal mind can defy the existence of anything or anyone which does not fit the world view, except for those things which it has already too-firmly embraced.

Liberals know that, in their world view, Bush is even and anything he says which conflicts with their world view is nothing but hateful propaganda. And anything Bush says about Kerry's faults will banish those faults from liberals' minds. Kerry could advocate the slaughter of every firstborn child and, if Bush criticized him for it, liberals would immediately cease to see that as being a bad thing.

The key to freeing liberals from their world view is to let them get themselves into a situation where, while trying to reconcile its inconsistencies, they find themselves stuck. If they're trying to defend their worldview when they get caught by its insistencies, they'll simply banish the attack from their existence. But if key aspects of the world view collide, and both are important enough that neither can simply be banished, then liberals are more likely to seek help to reconcile conflicting aspects of their world view. And once part of their world view starts collapsing, the rest will follow like dominos.

I'll confess that I've not been very effective at giving sight to liberals. I think one of my problems is that even though I recognize what needs to be done, I sometimes 'pounce' too soon before the liberal beast has started to collapse, and in so doing rearouse its defenses. But I do think Bush may well be on the right track.

74 posted on 10/02/2004 1:15:50 PM PDT by supercat (If Kerry becomes President, nothing bad will happen for which he won't have an excuse.)
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