Kerry gaffes from tonight's debate

[MHT]

"I never wavered." Yeah, right.

[rocklobster11]

Kerry's Poland moment? He confused KGB HQ with a Nazi Death Camp near Warsaw. If Poland was enough to bring down Ford, it should be enough to bring down Kerry, especially since he forgot that Poland was part of the coalition

[mwp99]

He was also against "outsourcing" responsibilities in Afghanistan, but he's for "outsourcing" them in Iraq. As the President said, the only thing he's consistent on is his inconsistencies.

[JeffersonRepublic.com]

Think about what you remember from the debate.

Kerry thinks our allies were bribed.
Kerry called the Iraqi leader a liar
Kerry wants to cut weapons program that are protecting us
Kerry wants to destory the North Korean coalition
Kerry said it is the wrong war at the wrong time
Kerry thinks we should give Iran Nuke material
Kerry said wmd were crossing the boarder he also said they didn't have them

Bush wants free elections in Iraq and Afghanistan
Bush is working with Russia, china, s. korea, Japan on NK
Bush has disposed two terror sponsoring governments
Bush has brought 75% of bin ladin terrorist to justice

That is what I remember. I think Bush kick his Butt. Don't pay attention to the pundits they are read from talking point and have not had time to carefully look over what was said.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com

[VisualizeSmallerGovernment]

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[grandOPUS]

BIG QUESTION! The only aspect that I heard in the speech of what Kerry would do differently in Iraq if he were President was this...
"I've laid out a plan by which I think we can be successful in Iraq: with a summit, by doing better training, faster, by cutting -- by doing what we need to do with respect to the U.N. and the elections."

HUH?

Summit? What's the goal of the summit? Is he saying we can bring our troops home faster if we change the program midstream. Lets just get together with other countries, hold hands and sing KumBaYa? The other countries probably know more about democracy than us anyway, right?

How does he propose to train better and faster? He's either saying our current troops are incompetent and that he will send replacements who are better and faster, OR he would send more troops over there to speed things along. This is something worth asking him.

And what was he going to "cut"? He can't cut troops because then we couldn't do the "better" and "faster".

What do we need to do with respect to the U.N. and the elections?

Can someone please tell me what Kerry plans to do?

[NDpapajoe]

Hi All,
I swear I heard Kerry say: maybe an 18th UN resolution would have worked...

Will check the transcript.

Also seem to recall Bush saying something like: well, 17 resoltions didn't have any effect so what would it accomplish to get another one?

So there it is, Kerry can increment a 2-digit number, and Bush has the abilty to make him say things he shouldn't!

I would agree on the talk of a draw, but Kerry definitely seemed like he was speechifying. No way Joe Six-Pack is thinking he wants that guy on TV every night. And he WOULD be more like Clinton and make a TV appearance just about every day.

No Worries,
Papa

[dahvid]

Another possible Kerry gaffe, re a draft? Kerry said that he would drastically increase the size of the military and send troops to Africa, etc. This sounds like he wants a draft.

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

"3. Kerry said we should involve ourselves in bilateral negoatiations with North Korea despite the fact that they've proven untrustworthy in such negotiations."

It was unilateral talks where Kerry said he would flip off four other countries and go it alone.

[geopyg]

I hope they hit him when Kerry said "Why is it okay for US to develop a bunker-busting nuclear missle - but its not okay for North Korea to develop nuclear bombs". (Or something VERY close to that).

THIS type of attitude is NOT what I want in my president.

Also - I sure would like Kerry's comment on his trip to Russia be wrong! (Like Gore's trip to the flood victims last election - but I kind of doubt it.)

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

Kerry is trolling for the Mullah votes.

[Fruitbat]

The three gaffes that need to be focused upon:

1. Kerry suggested we need a "global test" to determine whether we need to defend ourselves.

2. Kerry said we should give nuclear fuel to Iran.

3. Kerry said we should involve ourselves in bilateral negoatiations with North Korea despite the fact that they've proven untrustworthy in such negotiations.

And....

4. Kerry himself

[Bonaparte]

"...all he could say is that he would do things faster, cheaper, with more allies, etc."

This wasn't the first time tonight that he reminded me of Dukakis.

[mwp99]

Also - I sure would like Kerry's comment on his trip to Russia be wrong!

It was about as accurate as his stories about trips to Cambodia in 1968 or Safwan, Iraq, in 1991 to witness the signing of the Gulf War I armistice.

[grandOPUS]

All right, I brought myself to visit John Kerry's site...here's what he says he'll do:

1) Internationalize, because others must share the burden;
2) Train Iraqis, because they must be responsible for their own security;
3) Move forward with reconstruction because that's an important way to stop the spread of terror; and
4) Help Iraqis achieve a viable government, because it is up to them to run their own country.

Someone please explain to me which of these four we are not already doing well?

[StayAt HomeMother]

Kerry: "I know what it means to lose people in combat. And the question, is it worth the cost, reminds me of my own thinking when I came back from fighting in that war. And it reminds me that it is vital for us not to confuse the war, ever, with the warriors. That happened before."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/01/debate.transcript.10/index.html

1. Did he lose any people in combat?

2. Yes, this happened before. And we know who it was who stated "They personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads ... randomly shot at civilians ...... cut off limbs, blown up bodies ... razed villages in a fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan ... crimes committed on a day-to-day basis ... ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam ..."

[GopherIt]

1) Australia - NOT
2) Kyoto Treaty

[BillF]

New Kerrey flip-flop. He chided Bush for opposing the Kyoto Climate Treaty. (Bush upset Kerrey's foreign leader supporters.)

Yet Kerrey voted in favor of a sense of the Senate resolution that opposed the Kyoto Treaty unless it was a different treaty.

Kerrey was against the Kyoto Treaty before he was for it.

Senate resolution 98 in 1997:

SUMMARY AS OF:
6/12/1997--Introduced.

Declares that the United States should not be a signatory to any protocol to, or other agreement regarding, the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change of 1992, at negotiations in Kyoto in December 1997 or thereafter which would: (1) mandate new commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for the Annex 1 Parties, unless the protocol or other agreement also mandates new specific scheduled commitments to limit or reduce greenhouse gas emissions for Developing Country Parties within the same compliance period; or (2) result in serious harm to the U.S. economy.

Calls for any such protocol or other agreement which would require the advice and consent of the Senate to ratification to be accompanied by: (1) a detailed explanation of any legislation or regulatory actions that may be required to implement it; and (2) an analysis of the detailed financial costs which would be incurred by, and other impacts on, the U.S. economy. [Click here for link to text of resolution at http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:SE00098:@@@D&summ2=m&.

See Kerry's vote here http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=105&session=1&vote=00205.]

This was raised by aynrandfreak at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1232098/posts.

The proposed changes to Kyoto would kill it. Those changes are "deal-breakers" for most of the third-world foreign signatories to the treaty.

Even though 95 Senators including Kerrey voted against the treaty in that resolution, Kerrey now wants to chide Bush for not backing the treaty. Has he changed his position in gratitude for his foreign supporters?

[There's millions of'em]

Kerry stated he would have built a better coalition for the Iraq mission by bribing them:

Kerry: "What do you need, what do you need now, how much more will it take to get you to join us?" we'd be in a stronger place today.

I would love to know what France's price might be.

[aynrandfreak]

Thanks for the repost. I just hope that someone from W's campaign is lurking here, or at least thinks of this on their own.