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DRUDGE: C-SPAN Secretly Tapes Lockhart Saying Debate Was A Draw
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Posted on 09/30/2004 9:04:32 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

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To: axel f

Ping just in case you have not seen this!


181 posted on 10/01/2004 9:15:33 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Paridel
Paridel said: "I wonder how this plays for voters though... I've know many don't like how Kerry can appear to be too slick. Do you think that coming accross as TOO polished in a debate makes people not trust you?"

My thoughts too.

He's just a little "too" smooth.

Don't think he's playing too well in Middle America...

Having said that, I do hope that GWB, Rove, et al., take nothing for granted from this point on. The "bringing 40 minutes of material" comments posted here by my fellow FReepers are dead on point.

Bush needs to dodge a Kerry knockout punch, true--but as many have articulately pointed out here already, he cannot remain on perpetual defense. He's gotta be assertive when describe what he's done and what he plans to do, in short, he needs to be a passionate defender of policies and the core values/beliefs behind them.

Thing is, if you're listening Karl, Bush needs to be super-prepared and completely familiar with the facts, etc., he needs to BE well-coached without being too well-coached. Look at the Bush interview with O'Reilly (don't get me started on him...) He's calm, comfortable, and in complete command of the facts...he appeared to speak "off the cuff" as if sitting with long time friends talking over coffee or a beer.

It seems that Bush, like many of us, gets "spooked" when he's overly coached and, put in a position where he cannot simply his affable self. Granted, Bush is not the slickest speaker to begin with, but he's a much more effective communicator in less contrived settings. When engaged in a conversation, discussion, interview or any other give and take--whether it be with a supporter of detractor, a politician, reporter or average citizen, in a formal or informal setting--Bush is much more engaged and on point.

When a large part of his focus is consumed with instructions to do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that, say this, don't say that, etc., ad infinitum, Bush is much shakier. His confidence and cool virtually vanish and he appears to be everything from bored and/or angry to "lost" or even flat out stupid.

Mr. Rove is no doubt a genius at what he does, but he and the rest of the president's handlers need to remember that Bush struggles when he is artificially and/or unnaturally forced to make this point or that point on the one hand, while remembering various style do's and don'ts, in addition to memorizing a multitude of John Kerry statements, positions and quotes, not to mention his own facts, figures and talking points.

I hope that between now and the second debate next Friday night, Rove, Hughes, Matlin, et al., point President Bush in the right direction--coach him without putting any undue pressure on him.

Likewise, I hope that the president will hunker down and do his homework. He missed multiple opportunities to refute points Kerry made during last night's debate. President Bush conceded far too much, he could have closed the deal last night but didn't. Bush's job between now and 10/8 is to master his material to the point that it's matter-of-fact and then take the stage next Friday and BE HIMSELF!

Mr. Rove, let Bush be Bush and he wins.

MR
SF
USA

182 posted on 10/01/2004 9:42:33 AM PDT by ElephantMan (sorry, no smart a$$ tag line today)
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To: StarFan

Lockhart is a Clinton man. When it comes time to explain it to the boss, I'm sure she will say he did very well.


183 posted on 10/01/2004 10:02:42 AM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: Mr. Jazzy

Jazzy,

I'm pretty sure I heard it on Fox this morning.


184 posted on 10/01/2004 10:13:11 AM PDT by Kewz1 (Never forget.)
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To: ElephantMan

My opinion is that Kerry will do worse next debate for these reasons:

No softball questions coming from town hall people.
No time limit so he will go back to speaking ad nauseum.
The expectation bar will have been raised back up.


185 posted on 10/01/2004 10:22:23 AM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: edpc

Yes, a DRAW would be a "win" for these guys.... but that won't stop the spin...


186 posted on 10/01/2004 10:26:50 AM PDT by HamiltonJay ("You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.")
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To: jsk10
the New York Subways never closed during the RNC. Uh huh. Another good one Senator.

and every New Yorker knows this. Bet the farm this flaming obviously false statement was intended to hurt Kerry in the long run...say 2008. Hillary

187 posted on 10/01/2004 10:37:21 AM PDT by NautiNurse (Bonnie, Charley, Frances, Ivan Sr, Ivan Jr, and Jeanne...painting curtains on the boarded windows)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Bump!


188 posted on 10/01/2004 12:46:36 PM PDT by windchime (Podesta about Bush: "He's got four years to try to undo all the stuff we've done." (TIME-1/22/01))
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To: cpforlife.org
"Bush inner circle suggests Bush visit with Hurricane victims earlier in day was emotionally draining, contributed to "tired" appearance in debate..."

It's a good thing I'm not the President. At some point in last night's "debate", I would have let it fly. After spending a day visiting with ordinary Americans who have lost everything and are facing the future with courage and resolve, Bush had to stand up there with one of the biggest liars on the plant and pretend to repect his Botox-ed, bottle-tanned, gigalo, nancy-boy, manicured a**. It would have been more than I could handle. IMO, the President won the debate by not walking over there and wringing that lazy, never-worked-a-day-in-his-life, horse-face's neck and choking him dead on live TV.

Whew, I feel SO much better!
189 posted on 10/01/2004 1:21:05 PM PDT by StrictTime ("They might be fake/ they might be lies/ they might be big, big, fake, fake lies" TMBG)
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To: StrictTime
It would have been more than I could handle. IMO, the President won the debate by not walking over there and wringing that lazy, never-worked-a-day-in-his-life, horse-face's neck and choking him dead on live TV.

Whew, I feel SO much better!

LOL! I feel better too after reading your post!

190 posted on 10/01/2004 3:21:17 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Bonnie, Charley, Frances, Ivan Sr, Ivan Jr, and Jeanne...painting curtains on the boarded windows)
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To: StrictTime
...the President won the debate by not walking over there and wringing that lazy, never-worked-a-day-in-his-life, horse-face's neck and choking him dead on live TV

I agree.

191 posted on 10/01/2004 3:37:29 PM PDT by Otta B Sleepin ("Iraq isn't Vietnam, it's Guadalcanal." Powl Smith)
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To: Kewz1
Cool.


Done in Teddy Kennedy voice,

"Then let the word go forth (hic!), from this time and this place (hic!), that herein and ev-ah after, Democrats only tell the truth , ... off mike!!!

Waiter, freshen this one up for me?"
192 posted on 10/01/2004 6:44:14 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Kerry broke the faith, pure and simple.)
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To: jsk10
You wrote: Now Drudge is reporting that the New York Subways never closed during the RNC. Uh huh. Another good one Senator.

You know, I had to laugh when he said that. I live in Boston. (Forgive me! We moved here with the USAF!) If I remember correctly, some of the subway system here was shut down during the DNC, as well as some streets and highways in the area. They also told city workers to stay home, to minimize the congestion and traffic due to the reduced routes. It pissed everyone here off...but...Kerry neglected to menton that, of course.

193 posted on 10/01/2004 7:18:45 PM PDT by OkieDokieSmokie ("We will not tire, We will not falter, We will not fail." -President George W. Bush, Oct. 26, 2001)
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To: Polybius

To answer your question: ZERO
But, then again, I'm not a girlie man, like sKerry.......


194 posted on 10/02/2004 1:57:45 PM PDT by GeorgeW23225 (Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
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To: StrictTime

I agree!! It would have been great for the President to walk over and punch that SOB sKerry. If he did, it would have been a 50 State sweep for the Prez!!


195 posted on 10/02/2004 2:05:47 PM PDT by GeorgeW23225 (Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

sKerry can NOT defend his record in the Senate. It has been a dismal failure. The only thing he is enthused about, is voting for tax increases, which he has done 350 times. Sad isn't it?? Even the Clinton White House considered sKerry a "back bencher".

BTW: Thank you for your service to our country, Staff Sgt!!


196 posted on 10/02/2004 2:10:39 PM PDT by GeorgeW23225 (Liberals really aren*t bad people. It*s just that they know so much that simply ISN*T true!!)
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