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To: radicalamericannationalist
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. "

What does this line mean to you? 176 Levy78

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

'Rad' replies:

1. It does not say that a government shall support religions.
However, it does not say that government may not support religion.

You're simply denying the clear words of the framers, 'rad'. Our government cannot respect/support the various 'establishments' [precepts/dogmas/teachings] of religions.

2. I think it means exactly what it says. Congress shall make no established Church of America, a la the Church of England.

Backwards. Congress shall make no 'law' regarding the establishments of such religions. Period.

Are you aware that most of the states had established churches?

Are you aware that under a republican form of government, a State supported church would be unconstitutional? Thus, the 1st 'grandfathered in' the existing State churches, but allowed no more, as Utah was soon to find out.

And during the Congressional debate of the First Amendment, it was understood that those institutions would not be impacted? Again, I think the folks who drafted it had a pretty good idea what they meant.

Indeed they did. They compromised, and won..
The old Colonial 'institutions' died out very quickly. No more were allowed.

191 posted on 09/30/2004 7:03:09 PM PDT by tpaine (No man has a natural right to commit aggression on the equal rights of another. - T. Jefferson)
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To: tpaine

I remember having this conversation with you before. Your repeating of arguments that are simply historically and Constitutionally inaccurate does not make them correct.


192 posted on 09/30/2004 7:08:02 PM PDT by radicalamericannationalist (Kurtz had the right answer but the wrong location.)
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To: tpaine
"Congress shall make no 'law' regarding the establishments of such religions."

No. It states (in part), "Congress shall make no law repecting an establishment of religion ...".

Big difference.

268 posted on 10/01/2004 8:34:45 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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