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To: RedBloodedAmerican
The Vatican is a government unto itself.

That's what I said.

Seen this?

Yes I have.

It says: He [the Catholic bishop of Iraq] noted that since the Islamic terrorists have ignored the appeals of Muslim clerics for the freedom of the hostages, the pleas of the Catholic Church are not likely to be honored.

In other words, the Catholic Church did not negotiate with them.

Your link provides no evidence for your claim that Vatican rpresentatives ever met with the hostage-takers or go-betweens or that any offer of cash was made by the Vatican.

It looks like the Vatican (not Italy) was trying to find a way to get them out.

No, according to the article it looks like the Catholic bishop believed he had no chance of helping them and that the Vatican asked the governments of the world to put renewed pressure on the terroists to stop these situations.

You say that Italy did not help - again, you're wrong. The Italian government actively worked with the government of Jordan to open channels and try to get them released.

And they have not done this for other hostages.

The Vatican has done the exact same thing for all the hostages: appealed to the terrorists to stop taking people hostage. The Vatican has not negotiated with any terrorists in Iraq.

It appears they work separate from any "Italian Govt".

Again, the article does not describe any specific action taken by the Vatican other than a verbal appeal. And the Vatican is a separate government from the Republic of Italy. Why do you put the Italian goverment in quotes? I can assure you that Italy is indeed a sovereign country with its own government.

Time will tell, someday we will know who secured the financial release for them.

I'm sure time will tell.

Sure it may be speculation on my part, but you can't prove it isn't a possibility, can you?

You made a false assertion and have not been able to provide a shred of proof to back it up.

The link you provided does nothing but further discredit your scurrilous original statement.

You, in your prejudice, said something completely unsupported and slanderous.

You could apologize, rather than continue to flip-flop: "Oh the Vatican did this. Well, I think the Vatican did this. Well, you can't prove the Vatican didn't. Well, you can't prove that there is no possibility that the Vatican did. Well I knew for a fact the Vatican did it before I wasn't completely sure the Vatican did it." And on and on.

You're starting to parody yourself.

106 posted on 09/29/2004 1:05:16 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: wideawake

May I ask what your response will be if it turns out the Vatican had any part in their release?


107 posted on 09/29/2004 1:12:21 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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