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To: Cboldt
For a laser, a simple formula to find the ratio of power at distance "R" to power at distance "0" is e-(alpha)R. alpha is an attenuation factor, and for air ranges from 0.1 (.43 dB/km) for clear air to 1.0 (4.3 dB/km) in hazy air.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! If that equation is even reasonably correct my points are mathematically manifest. Do you understand what that equation is saying? It means that as R grows the attenuation grows exponentially. D$%n that was easy. But, um, why would the attenuation factor be measured in decibels? Are you sure this isn't an equation for some kind of sound propagation? Guys, the more you try to make your 'point' the more you bury your own arguments.
487 posted on 09/29/2004 1:43:15 PM PDT by ableChair
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To: ableChair
... why would the attenuation factor be measured in decibels?

It's one of several customary ways to express phenomena that have logarithmic properties. Sound pressure and sound power being two, and electromagnetic phenomena being another.

497 posted on 09/29/2004 2:05:44 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ableChair
But, um, why would the attenuation factor be measured in decibels? Are you sure this isn't an equation for some kind of sound propagation?

Every time you post, we get a clearer picture of your knowledge level. The term "decibel" is not restricted to measuring sound levels and is often used for electrical, radio and optical power.

Decibel: 1. A dimensionless measure of the ratio of two powers, equal to 10 times the logarithm to the base 10 of the ratio of two powers P1/P2.

It means that as R grows the attenuation grows exponentially

Yes and you can use that formula to calculate the amount of attenuation. It isn't much at all in clear air. He used an attenuation coefficient between clear air and haze just to be fair. He calculated that a laser beam would be attenuated to 40% of it's original strength over five miles.

500 posted on 09/29/2004 2:34:17 PM PDT by Dan Evans
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To: ableChair
Do you understand what that equation is saying? It means that as R grows the attenuation grows exponentially

Wow, congrats on discovering Beer's law.

You have the correct form ie exp(-alpha*distance),but you are simply failing to realize that alpha is quiet small at certain, indeed, many wavelengths.

This is why there are laser radars with multiple kilometer ranges and COIL anti-missle systems that have successfully downed missles and GuideStar sodium beacons that provide a reference spot at the sodium layer, etc, etc.

Look, you know a thing or two for a nonspecialist but you really should conduct yourself with a bit more civility when discussing areas of which you obviously have no first hand experience.

512 posted on 09/29/2004 3:14:01 PM PDT by AdamSelene235
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To: ableChair
But, um, why would the attenuation factor be measured in decibels? Are you sure this isn't an equation for some kind of sound propagation?

Because decibels (tenths of a Bel) is a ratio of power.

573 posted on 09/29/2004 10:24:49 PM PDT by dread78645 (Truth is always the right answer)
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