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To: TexasCowboy

I will pray for the young man also. I debate muslims over on paltalk daily it seems... And i have seen many so called christian women fall away into islam. I agree they were never born again. They are wooed and charmed By the muslim men and willing to give up anything for them. I would like to share a few scriptures.. 2 Timothy 3:6
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, 6if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because[2] to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
7Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. 8But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, "It is mine to avenge; I will repay,"[4] and again, "The Lord will judge his people."[5] 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Keep us informed on what happens. I pray the holy spirit keeps him from uttering those words of denial.. By The way..
The shahadas i have heard of former christians, The muslims have added to it and make THEM PUBLICALLY DENY JESUS.. REALLY QUIET SCARY !

In Matthew 10:32-33 he says, "Therefore whoever confesses Me before men, him I will also confess before My Father who is in heaven. But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before my Father who is in heaven.


46 posted on 09/26/2004 8:38:32 AM PDT by ElisabethInCincy
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To: ElisabethInCincy

Let me add 2 wonderful stories. 2 christian women i know did take shahada... One within 2 weeks was on her face in repentance KNOWING WHAT SHE DID WAS WRONG. She told me she could not sleep at night she had totally fallen apart after denying Jesus.. She is truly born again now. Also another one pretty much same story. She was muslim for about a month and during that time she became the most evil person. She was at war inside and she since Gave her life back also Praise God!!!! They got a taste of the darkness and realized it


47 posted on 09/26/2004 8:47:21 AM PDT by ElisabethInCincy
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To: ElisabethInCincy
Thank you for sharing the Scriptures.

We must be very careful in making judgements about other people's relationship
with God. God looks at the heart, not the person, and we never know His plan.
We cannot look at the actions of a Christian and judge the condition of his soul.

The second verse you quoted is:

Hebrews 6: 4,5,6: "It is impossible for those who were once
enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made
partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the Word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing
they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to open shame."

This is a very good topic of discussion which ties in well with this thread.
The meaning of these three verses has been debated countless times.

First, some background:

The Book of Hebrews was written by an unknown author, probably Paul, to a
group of Christians living in Italy (?) who were leaning toward abandoning their
faith in Jesus Christ and resuming their faith in Judaism.
The theme of the whole Book is the superiority of Christianity over Judaism.

Some denominations believe that the "falling away", as would be the case if one
accepted the religion of Islam, prevents one from ever receiving a Second
Salvation.
I'm of the studied opinion that "once saved, always saved".

The verses say to me that I have been illuminated ["enlightened"] once. I cannot
be illuminated again. I cannot be double saved.
Were that not so, a heirarchy of saved souls would exist with the ones receiving
the most number of "savings" being at the top of the heap and deserving the most rewards in Heaven.
This would cheapen and degrade the sacrifice of my Savior.

The quote from Matthew illustrates Satan's aims on this earth.
Many Christians went to their death in Roman times because they would not deny
their Savior.
For Muslims to insist that their converts deny Him, proves that Islam is a tool of
Satan.

49 posted on 09/26/2004 9:51:02 AM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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