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To: Chemist_Geek

Have you seen the statements of CAIR? Do you know how many Muslims they represent? It is about time denunciations have begun - 9/11 happened three years ago. Another far more powerful condemnation was issued recently by the Free Muslim Coalition. It is refreshing, but hardly commonplace. If only the self-flagellation on the scale of Abu Gharaib and the cries of the "world community" for America to denounce the actions of our soldiers there would occur within the Muslim community. If only the world would demand such a repudiation as they did from President Bush, I would believe that there is actual outrage. Unfortunately Abu Gharaib pales in comparison to what the Muslim terrorists inflict upon innocents every day and we are still apologizing. Let them vote for Democrats.

But no matter how you slice it, to condemn acts of violence against infidels is to condemn the actions of the prophet and the Koran itself.

Muslims have declared jihad against Hinduism, Christianity, and Judaism and even Islam (for non-Arabs). To accept Islam as a religion of peace, there needs to be evidence and the existence of Muslims who do not follow the dogma does not suffice.


90 posted on 09/24/2004 10:43:03 PM PDT by Time4Atlas2Shrug (I have an opinion and a modem.)
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To: Time4Atlas2Shrug

I love it. "Where's the condemnation?" There's condemnation, from Sistani's office even. "That's not enough!!!"

Just like Gore flip-flopping on the standards for chads.


93 posted on 09/24/2004 10:45:58 PM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Time4Atlas2Shrug; Free ThinkerNY; Chemist_Geek
I am far from being an expert on Islam but my husband has been reading quite a bit about Islam lately, the Koran as well as several research books on Islam. From what he has shared with me, it's my understanding that true Islam is radical and extreme teachings are the true teachings of Islam.

Time4Atlas2Shrug wrote:

-"It is very difficult for them to denounce jihadist terrorism because their prophet engaged in the same actions. Their holy book advocates beheadings for infidels. The Koran requires Muslims to engage in jihad with infidels if they do not convert or accept dhimmitude (unbelievers agreeing to live under Islmic law).

For the "moderate" Muslim community to publicly condemn the actions of terrorists would be to condemn the literal practice of Islam. This religion is facing a serious crisis, in my opinion."

-I agree, this religion is facing a serious crisis here in the US. "Moderate" Muslims here are in a pickle. If they lived in Muslim countries I wonder how "moderate" they could and would be in view of the fact that as "moderates" they would be viewed as friends of the infidels and there would be repercussions. I believe that "moderates" Muslims here have been influenced and affected by our teachings and society and by the freedom they experience.

This is not to take away from some that are moderate because it's their nature to be moderate and they lack bloodthirstiness. I am not saying that every Muslim is on a par with those decapitating people but their religion is.

Another observation: Chemist_Geek wrote quoting Al Waidh:

"What silence?
"As scholars, we condemn any hostility that restricts the freedom of people of any religion, whether by unjustifiably holding or kidnapping them, especially what is going on with the two French journalists, and we also condemn the killing of innocent people and ask their killers what guilt did they have," said Al Waidh concerning killing and kidnapping foreigners."

Please note that Al Waidh started his denunciation with the words As scholars. Note he did not say As Muslims. Also please note the comment especially what is going on with the 2 French Journalists. I don't believe this statement has the strength against Terrorism that it pretends to especially when it comes to America.
112 posted on 09/25/2004 12:54:41 AM PDT by rotundusmaximus
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