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[Cboldt]

I could not find AFM 35-13 listed anywhere. Where did you find the reference to the AFM 35-13? Other than Bush's docs.

Here is something that I find quite interesting. It is an analysis prepared sometime this year (undated, other than 2004) by a Gerald A. Lechliter. He seems to have a handle, albeit a loose one, on Air Force procedures. On page 18 of his analysis, he recites that "Bush was ordered to comply with para 2-10 of AFM 35-13.

As an aside, Mr. Lechliter analysis purports to corroborate Marty Hecht's theses. The Hecht/Iowa angle is, AFAIK, an possibly independent source of the forgeries. Maybe whoever was pulling the strings had Iowa nd Texas both involved, one to make the forgery, and the other to deliver it to CBS.

Anyway, whoever made the forgery might have relied in part on Mr. Lechliter's analysis, and particularly for the proposition that GWB failed to comply with para 2-10 of AFM 35-13.

http://www.haveyounoshame.org/media/lechliter.pdf <-- See page 18

[Cboldt]

I could not find AFM 35-13 listed anywhere. Where did you find the reference to the AFM 35-13? Other than Bush's docs.

More details on that Lechliter analysis. Acroread provides some information relating to creation date and author. Creation date is September 7, 2004 (the day before the CBS piece aired), and the author's name is given as "Brent Murray."

http://www.haveyounoshame.org/media/lechliter.pdf <-- See page 18

[Cboldt]

I could not find AFM 35-13 listed anywhere. Where did you find the reference to the AFM 35-13? Other than Bush's docs.

Heh. Mr. Lechliter has been the subject of a Free Republic thread in the recent past. September 7!

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1209859/posts <-- Geral Lechliter

That thread has an independent link to his analysis of GWB's records in light of regulations, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf <-- Another source

Gerald Lechliter, a retired Army colonel and a member of Veterans against the Iraq War, compared Bush's publicly released records with military procedures manuals from that era. He concluded that Bush's superiors failed to follow proper procedures when he missed required training and when he failed to take his flight physical.

USATODAY.com - Guard commander's memos criticize Bush <--

Since being trotted out, apparantly as a part of a planned powerful follow-up to the CBS initiation of "Fortunate Son", Mr. Lechliter has not been in the news. Too many pieces point back to Kerry, or his campaign.

[Cboldt]

I could not find AFM 35-13 listed anywhere. Where did you find the reference to the AFM 35-13? Other than Bush's docs.

The "Brent Murray" cited as the "author" of the Lechliter PDF file is most likely the Brent Murray that works at the NYTimes. IMO, just a tangentially connected person, a behind the scenes person who facilitates getting print/internet material disseminated. A "worker bee."

[wattsup]

That's the whole problem. We know that:

AFM 160-1 is the manual that should have been cited for Bush's recriminate to have a physical. But there should have been a Air Force Regulation that was referenced for any punishment.

AFM 35-13 I cannot find. Kerry's web site referenced that and also Bush's docs.

I believe that by kerry citing a nonexistent document and CBS citing the same bogus document 5 months later the odds of this happening would be phenomenal

[Cboldt]

AFM 35-13 I cannot find.

I believe it was a current reference at the time it was cited in one of Bush's REAL Official records. I do not think it is a bogus reference, except inasmuch as the Killian forgeries and Lechliter's analysis both cite it as the authority that GWB had a duty to take a physical. I believe AFM 35-13 existed at the time, and prescibed procedures dealing with changes in a pilot's flight qualifications and status.

[stockpirate]

This may be why you can't find the AFM 35-13.

In its September 14 lead editorial, headlined "A Rather false story," The Washington Times concluded, on the basis of much-debated evidence, that it's "fairly clear" that the controversial memos released by CBS on September 8 are "forgeries." In making their charge, the Times alleged that one of the disputed documents (page 2), ordering then-Lieutenant George W. Bush to undergo a flight physical, cites a regulation that did not exist: "There was no AFM 35-13 regulation governing physicals." Yet other National Guard records in Bush's military file, which the White House released in February and are known to be authentic, cite the same regulation in suspending Bush's flight status for failing to submit to the physical. A September 29, 1972, order (page 10 and 11) confirms Bush's August 1 suspension "from flying status" for: "Failure to accomplish annual medical examination. Off will comply with para 2-10, AFM 35-13. Authority: Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13."

Media Lies

[GOP_Muzik]

>>AFM stands for Air Force Manual. I was in the Air Force for 20 years and believe me it's AFM.<<

check here:
www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/ af/23/afman23-110/afman23-110.pdf

and here:
www.usafa.af.mil/scs/m23pt13.pdf

and here:
www.fas.org/nuke/intro/aircraft/afman91-201.pdf

and here:
usmilitary.about.com/library/ milinfo/afreg/blafman10-100.htm

and page 2 here:
www.ngbpdc.ngb.army.mil/pubfiles/bulletin/pb03-2.pdf

It seems that AFM is very common though in TANG memos, so it doesn't really matter. Someone else found a reference to this specific section in one of Bush's own documents, so I guess we're barking up the wrong tree. Doesn't hurt to look though.

[wattsup]

I don'e understand whet you are trying to tell me.

[GOP_Muzik]

I was just trying to show that the air force does indeed refer to air force manuals as AFMAN in many cases, but you are also correct in many shorter memos they refer to them as AFM, but the official acronym is AFMAN. I wasn't trying to be flame-ish in any way, after all we are all fighting for the same cause.
I was in the Air Force too, but officially only 3 months because I graduated as a 1st Lt. out of Texas A&M but there was a purge because of the glut of pilots (Reagan years). Plus I am 6'3" and even though I did okay in P.I.T. the only bird I was going to fly would have either been a C-130 or C-141, so I opted out for drills & ceremonies.
Anyway, it appears someone has found this manual referenced somewhere else in a REAL Bush memo, so I think our analysis needs to be directed elsewhere.
that was all I was trying to say.

[wattsup]

I know you weren't trying to flame me, but I still can't find the Manual anywhere officially except in Bush's real docs. I am wondering now if someone (AF Clerk) made a typo.