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To: quant5

Quant5 wrote:

"Yes, they did but the Gulags stopped in the sixties."




Excerpt from Inside Story: World Report, 1995 (well after the Soviet Union "Collapsed").

Concentration camp survivor Avraham Shifrin was able to leave the Soviet Union in 1970 and move to Israel, where he established the Research Center for Prisons, Psychprisons and Forced Labor Concentration Camps of the USSR. He published his comprehensive research on Soviet camps in 1980, indicating more than 2,000 concentration camps were active-including 119 camps for women and children and at least 41 death camps.1 By 1990, Shifrin reported that some 2,500 camps were now holding an expanded population of 7 million inmates under Mikhail Gorbachev's regime.2

But more chillingly, Shifrin has recently discovered that the "former" Soviet Union under Boris Yeltsin is rapidly building many new camps throughout the country, in addition to the thousands of ongoing camps. These still-empty camps could serve to hold vast numbers of Western Europeans once the Red Army moves into Germany, Italy, France, and England.

Since the "collapse" of Soviet Communism in 1991, Moscow has opened to the public a tiny handful of old camps, mostly in Siberia. But the other 2,500 camps remain in full operation, exterminating large numbers of citizens under a continuing regime of terror. The Soviet propaganda works only because most Americans never understood the severity of Communist oppression in the first place.

11 Shifrin, A., First Guidebook to Prisons and Concentration Camps of the Soviet Union, Bantam Books, NY, 1982, esp. pp. 10, 19-21, 31-35.
12 Shifrin, A., "A Performance: Glasnost and Perestroika," an open letter, Jan. 1990.


242 posted on 09/22/2004 5:58:09 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: GIJoel

Sorry, footnotes were supposed to say 1 and 2.


244 posted on 09/22/2004 6:00:15 PM PDT by GIJoel
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To: GIJoel

Your propaganda works because you have not been there. My husband was, in 1995, for a few months, in the region where many of these camps were. And they were not in use.


246 posted on 09/22/2004 6:03:07 PM PDT by MarMema (next year in constantinople!)
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To: GIJoel

WOW. Much appreciated on the history! Thanks for this information! Knew that a lot of the Siberian camps still operated but not so widespread even into the 80's!


268 posted on 09/22/2004 6:30:30 PM PDT by quant5
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To: GIJoel
But more chillingly, Shifrin has recently discovered that the "former" Soviet Union under Boris Yeltsin is rapidly building many new camps throughout the country, in addition to the thousands of ongoing camps. These still-empty camps could serve to hold vast numbers of Western Europeans once the Red Army moves into Germany, Italy, France, and England.

Which Red Army? The one surrounded by NATO in Europe, Central Asia and Caucusis? US spends more on defense then the rest of the world combined. We've hit more countries in the past 10 years then anyone else and are in 120+ countries and you are paranoid of the Red Army? Wow, talk about delusions.

472 posted on 09/23/2004 6:29:05 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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To: GIJoel; quant5; MarMema
North Korea Exporting Slaves [to Russia] To Work Off Debt - 08/06/2001 - North Korea is paying off its Soviet-era debt to Russia by sending indentured servants to work unpaid in labor camps across Siberia, an official from the Economic Development and Trade Ministry said Friday.

North Korea to Cover Russian Debt by Supplying Free Labor - Aug 3, 2001

634 posted on 09/24/2004 6:42:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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