Posted on 09/21/2004 9:42:49 AM PDT by LouAvul
ST. LOUIS (AP) - A group re-enacting the Lewis and Clark expedition was confronted in South Dakota by American Indian leaders who questioned the legacy of the 200-year-old trip and its effects on native culture. An American Indian delegation greeted the Discovery Expedition of St. Charles over the weekend with protest signs, including one suggesting the original expedition of Meriwether Lewis and William Clark led to genocide of their people and destruction of their culture. The re-enactors were asked to go back home.
"I went as a peaceful emissary and asked in a kind way if they would leave," said Alex White Plume, a Lakota from Pine Ridge, S.D., who led the protest. "They should go home and rethink what they did to the native population."
Jon Ruybalid, a spokesman for the re-enactors, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the group expects more dialogue with the American Indians they met Saturday near Chamberlain, S.D.
"It wasn't easy listening," Ruybalid said. "What they said was filled with a lot of pain. We are being educated and, in the process, we are a platform for people to express their concerns."
About 20 people taking part in the expedition left St. Charles, Mo., on May 23 on its planned journey along the path of the Lewis and Clark expedition of 1804-06. The expedition is heading up the Missouri River in a replica boat.
Ruybalid said members of several South Dakota tribes planned to take part in bicentennial events this weekend near Pierre, S.D. But White Plume said he was "saddened that some tribes welcome them with open arms."
(Excerpt) Read more at modbee.com ...
***Whose fault is it that many of them have now become avid whiskey drinkers? ***
Whiskey? From what I've found they prefer hair spray or as they call it "CHYENNE CHAMPAIGNE".
By fostering the evil weed of tobacco upon and addicting us to a hell that has killed hundreds of millions around the world, and continues to do so yet today.
Careful--unfortunately the conservative movement has its own "political correctness" and one of the issues on which dissent is not tolerated is the celebration of tobacco. I've been piled on time and time again for expressing my own anti-smoking position, and these people actually think they own the conservative movement and that anyone who doesn't believe in the G-d given "right to smoke" is a liberal who belongs at some "gay rights" forum (ironically, the pro-smoking position is just as libertarian as the "gay rights" position).
Unfortunately there are any number of conservatives who seem to automatically and mechanically take the opposite position of anything the liberals say. I wonder why many conservatives haven't died from a lack of oxygen (since liberals breathe it).
Conformity in the name of "dissent" is no prettier on the Right than it is on the Left.
Another article from the Daily Republic in Mitchell SD.http://www.mitchellrepublic.com/main.asp?FromHome=1&TypeID=1&ArticleID=10953&SectionID=3&SubSectionID=83&FCID=171634&FCN=Odis%20Cosgrove
***The Journals of Lewis and Clark", ***
I just finished reading it. The only time a fight took place was on the trip back when they tried to befriend the blackfoot people. They were rewarded with their horses and guns almost being stolen. One Indian was killed by a scout using a knife after the Indian had stolen his rifle. That Indian still had the PEACE metal around his neck that Lewis had given him the night before. And the other was shot by Lewis with his pistol, when the Indian tried to shoot Lewis with the rifle he had just stolen from Lewis.
Is it well written? I.e., is it a good book?
If yes, author and publisher please. Thanx.
***Their great ceremony of the Sun Dance — described by Catlin under the name of Okeepa ****
have you read Catlin's two volume work, NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS.
It will be worth your time. A great study!
Before the europeans came, they fought each other and killed rival tribes off in the name of expansion or tribal movement into new territory. The europeans came and eventually did the same to them. They fought a war and in the end they lost -- get over it, all of your whining and all of your "noble savage" and "custodian of the environment" is seen these days as the mythology that it is and it is not going to change. Learn to live, survive and improve your lot instead of wallowing in your self-misery.
***Maybe they would rather have a visit from the General George Crook Reenactors?***
I prefer Col. Chivington myself.
Read Dunn's MASSACRES OF THE MOUNTAINS first.
***The French and Indian War commemorations ***
Do they commemorate the slaughter of all the students and teacher at a school house in Pennsylvania during that war?
Trying to come up with a generally acceptable term for these people has become increasingly difficult in recent times. Like coming up for a term for non-Caucasoids whose ancestry originates in Africa.
Indians weren't "red". We believe that term came may have come from the appearance of the Beothuk people of Newfoundland, one of the first tribes encountered by European invaders. These people were extremely fond of the color red and painted their entire bodies with that pigment.
Unfortunately they were all exterminated by the Europeans at a very early date so we can't really get their opinion on the subject.
"First Nations" (another term) people's skin pigmentation varied from nearly black to light brown, depending on the tribe.
They like to refer to themselves as Native Americans to distinguish themselves from people who came here later. They also use "First Nations" as an alternate term.
I guess they are Native Americans, while we are native Americans?
When I see the term "aboriginee" I picture someone whose ancestor came originally from Australia, but I also know that is also a generalized term.
Are Black Africans "Blacks"?? Are they Africans? Are they "negroid"?? Some people in the South Pacific are black, so are Australian aboriginees, but they are not the same people as those blacks originiating in Africa.
"Negro" and "negroid" have acquired a negative connotation, but those words really mean "black" in Spanish so you are back where you started anyway. And African doesn't work as there are people from northern Africa like the Berbers and some Egyptians who are Caucasoid.
Political correctness has made life so much more complicated.
The division was evident Monday when Duane Big Eagle, Crow Creek tribal chairman, said he disapproved of White Plume’s actions and planned to welcome the re-enactors to Crow Creek.
“We’re living in modern times,” Big Eagle said. “We’ve got to think modern and moving ahead, not living 150 to 200 years ago.” 2004 The Daily Republic 120 South Lawler P.O. Box 1288 Mitchell, SD. 57301
Maybe someone should have explained to the man just what re-enactors do...re-enact history, period. Geez.
Sorry losers!
IMO ALL these groups find common ground in being socialists while hating capitalism, But I'm a little confused about the other claim; Are you saying "anti-hunters and athieist scientists" are going to "pummel" rednecks? I find that scenario hard to believe.
"PS: As a rural person I must confess the terrible "crime" of being fond of trees, wildlife, and thinly settled places. It's a shame this sentiment has been radicalized" by city slicker lefties."
Don't misconstrue what I'm saying either; Who doesn't love nature? But there is no "Mother Earth," and I would NOT put let the welfare of tree-frog and darter snakes affect ANY human being in ANY way.
I believe that anti-hunters and atheist scientists are much more vocal in attacking rednecks who cut down trees and believe in the supernatural than they are of aboriginal peoples who do the same.
Don't misconstrue what I'm saying either; Who doesn't love nature? But there is no "Mother Earth," and I would NOT put let the welfare of tree-frog and darter snakes affect ANY human being in ANY way.
Despite the radicalization of love of animals (which is still relatively recent), I believe most people love animals and nature (in fact, anyone who doesn't is probably sick). But here we have the irony of people who believe the world is the completely meaningless result of blind, random chance campaigning on the "sacredness" of all species and claiming that the extinction of a single species sends the universe into spasms of grief; while otoh people who believe that G-d created everything with a purpose have been manipulated into saying that "man is the measure of all things" and that there are innumerable species who serve no purpose whatsoever.
A shattered paradigm indeed.
I'd say the Nez Perce (sp?) have the best basis for a gripe.
They kept the Lewis & Clark party alive...and later (during Chief Joseph times)
were sent south to Tonkawa, OK (to keep them from trying a run to Canada again).
Now that was a fair big of true cruelty...putting a bunch of decent folks from
the Oregon area into a summer-time (and sometimes winter-time) hell-hole.
(I should know, I grew up 10 miles away from Tonkawa.)
I've heard that enough of them died and complained that even the Indian agents let them
return home after a few years.
George Catlin Public Domain Image archive.. U.S. Government database..
http://americanart.si.edu/catlin/highlights.html
Other Federal archived images on Indian Cultures.. Public Domain..
http://scout.wisc.edu/Archives/SPT--AdvancedSearch.php?vn=Classification&vv=%22Indians+of+North+America+--+Pictorial+works%22
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