>True, but I sometimes wonder if these guys have any values whatsoever absent expedience, getting reelected and pyramiding their politics into millions like dashole did <
I guess I'm more cynical than you. I think they do indeed have "values". They want to change the direction in which this country is headed; they want to destroy the family, they want to vilify Christianity as a "religion of hate" and they want to keep millions of poor Americans trapped in the role of victim, so they are permanently dependent on the Democratic Party.