You may be right. I did read last night of an estimate of 13B+ for Charley, but for the life of me I can't find it to post a link....... They also agreed with you on Ivan.
These records are horrible in themselves for what they stand for; but to me they show how insignificant we are when it comes to Mother Nature. She can sure sling em....and in that they are scary as h#%% but magnicifient. Guess I'm weird!