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Next stop Mars: Professor to develop rocket prototype
The Daily Princetonian ^
| 09/14/04
| Neir Eshel
Posted on 09/14/2004 6:57:41 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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Cool.....
To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; sionnsar; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; jimkress; ...
Space Ping! This is the Space Ping List! Let me know if you want on or off this list!
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posted on
09/14/2004 6:58:24 PM PDT
by
KevinDavis
(Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
To: KevinDavis
tinfoil hat is on... I don't have much stock in them since they cant even get a parachute to operate correctly, sending that capsule full of data crashing to earth..
To: KevinDavis
The other is a $6 to 10 million project involving a propulsion concept that "didn't exist two years ago," Choueiri said. Anyone know what this one is?
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posted on
09/14/2004 7:12:51 PM PDT
by
Coyoteman
(I'm an archaeologist. I Work For A Living!)
To: Coyoteman
It's a Segway with booster rockets.
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posted on
09/14/2004 7:15:17 PM PDT
by
aimhigh
To: longshadow; VadeRetro; balrog666; general_re; RadioAstronomer; js1138; whattajoke; Shryke; ...
Uranus ping list. (If you want on or off this list, don't tell me; let me guess.)
To: PatrickHenry
Keep on pinging me. I'm not answering as much as normally these days because I've always wanted to see Dan Rather publicly humiliated, clamped in the stocks, pelted with rotten fruit, tarred and feathered, then released with a warning. The warning is "Start running. We let the dogs loose in two minutes."
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posted on
09/14/2004 7:27:38 PM PDT
by
VadeRetro
To: KevinDavis
I think if I were going to Mars, I'd be more comfortable with Warp Drive instead of a rocket :P
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posted on
09/14/2004 7:28:44 PM PDT
by
Leatherneck_MT
(Goodnight Chesty, wherever you may be.)
To: Coyoteman; RadioAstronomer
Anyone know what this one is? Yes. Unfortunately I am not one of them. I admit to being completely intrigued nonetheless. Perhaps my partner in crime can explain (if it does not fall under the "loose lips" umbrella).
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posted on
09/14/2004 9:42:51 PM PDT
by
Shryke
(Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
To: PatrickHenry
Anyone that doesn't want to be part of Uranus should be wiped out.
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posted on
09/14/2004 9:43:48 PM PDT
by
Shryke
(Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
To: KevinDavis

Courtesy of: Edgar Choueiri
Caption: A grad student wearing a protective suit works on a tank designed to simulate the conditions of outer space to test lithium thrusters.
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posted on
09/14/2004 9:45:44 PM PDT
by
ChadGore
(Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
To: KevinDavis
Thermal rockets--which this isn't--are characterized by high thrust (fast trip times) and low performance. A decent rule-of-thumb is that every pound of thrust costs 20,000 watts of thermal energy in a thermal engine.
Non thermal engines do much better on a power-to-thrust basis. The problem is that you still have to haul Three Mile Island along with you to make significant amounts of thrust. This tends to slow things down a bit.
Many have tried--and are still trying--but it is starting to look like the Almighty, wearing His Rocket Scientist suit, made things that way...
--Boris
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posted on
09/15/2004 5:46:23 AM PDT
by
boris
(The deadliest weapon of mass destruction in history is a Leftist with a word processor)
To: FesterUSMC
Did you have a point?
This is the second thread where I've seen you jump in, squat, and dump you BS all over it.
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posted on
09/15/2004 6:33:44 AM PDT
by
Frank_Discussion
(May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
To: Frank_Discussion
I'm just saying I don't have much stock in the space industry right now, after we had a shuttle incinerate on reentry and now having a capsule malfunction... you have to admit we have some egg on our face... the up side is... the mars rovers worked....
To: FesterUSMC
Nope NASA is not at all perfect, and I'm not happy with their performance, that I'll grant you. But that's the way R&D works, and most of what NASA does is R&D ops. Very few, if any, of their missions are considered "operational". It's always been that way, but the spotlight shines brightly on each and every failure, with much rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth.
As far as the parachute not opening, that was a supreme screwing of the pooch, there's no denying that. However, it seems that the scientists will be getting copious and valid data from Genesis afterall. The NASA engineers bust their humps to build tough systems, and it sometimes saves the day. It appears this may be the case here.
As far as the tech discussed in the article goes, I've seen something very similar in operation here around JSC, and it's impressive, and is on track for real application someday.
Didn't intend to go off on you like I did, but it seems there is always someone who like to jump in and basically say "NASA sucks!" then run along to the next thread. Please don't do that.
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09/15/2004 7:33:55 AM PDT
by
Frank_Discussion
(May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
To: Frank_Discussion
no no no I didn't want to imply that NASA sucks... although the mars rover mission wasn't NASA.. but anyhow... I was speaking to the space industry in general. I believe in people like Burt Rutan! This man is a genius! I believe he needs to be funded and supported the designs and concepts he comes up with are light years ahead of of NASA or anyone else.
To: Frank_Discussion
just kidding about the mars rover not being NASA :)
To: FesterUSMC
Let me say: GO Burt GO!
Light Years ahead, well, no. Actually, it's a simple approach that worked before, and is working again. Burt and his ilk might even make it profitable.
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posted on
09/15/2004 8:08:39 AM PDT
by
Frank_Discussion
(May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
To: Frank_Discussion
It is amazing what Rutan can do at way less than half the cost of anyone else, his use of composites if amazing, the first round trip around the world without refueling totally amazing.
Scaled Composites
To: Frank_Discussion; FesterUSMC; RadioAstronomer; snopercod
13 - I agree. However, Fester does have a point.
One of the things I noticed over the years, working with high powered, very intelligent engineers, who can do all kinds of fantastic, wonderful, calculations, was that uniformly,
Engineers 'can't add'. (I found most engineering errors were in simple addition - while fancy calculations worked)
And it seems NASA has those problems.
Look at the 'failures' over the past few years.
1. they forgot to translate metric and standard numbers, and missed the Mars landing.
2. The anti-missile failed because they couldn't separate the stages right.
3. The colombia was destroyed because a piece of insulation fell off.
4. The parachute didn't open.
etc, etc, etc.
The impossible just takes a while, and the simple is forgotten.
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posted on
09/15/2004 11:39:13 AM PDT
by
XBob
(Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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