Posted on 09/14/2004 5:39:15 PM PDT by nevergore
Getting crowded again! ;-) See:
http://www4.passur.com/lax.html
OK, y'all talking about spiders. STOP!
Ol Flagg's deathly scared of 'em!
But seriesly, my house has a crawlspace underneath. There's TONS of webs under there and it has to be an emergency for me to get in there for something. My water heater is there, my furnace is there.
Any suggestions as to what I can use to eliminate the spider infestation? It's not hugh, but it's a pain.
I thought everything was solved, whats getting crowded lol
The sky over L.A.! Looks pretty normal now (for this time of night).
http://www4.passur.com/lax.html
Is everything suppose to be like that on the overhead map. Arn't there suppose to be planes coming through? Help I'm confused.
Ping
Try throwing in a bunch of mothballs. Cottagers I know tell me that's what they do. Good luck.
Hmmm, I'll give that a try. Thanks!
You're welcome.
Fair, this sounds like subterfuge to me~! How does the FAA communication system just 'go down'?!
Just like when we happened to 'just lose' our 911 system here in a city the size of Chicago! Blech!
I so agree!!! BTTT!
'Technical difficulty' shuts down Chicago's 911 call center-Friday, July 23, 2004
911 center back online after power problems (two days after system mysteriously failed)- Chicago Sun Times ^ | July 25, 2004 | DAVE NEWBART-by you ;) Posted on 07/25/2004 3:30:08 PM CDT by FairOpinion
XPSR2, Piperspeak please?
~smile
Guys I don't even know what to believe.
Now they are saying that the flights are back to 50% capacity, but they did NOT say the problem has been identified and fixed.
It sounds to me, that they figured out how to offload some of it to other centers.
Air travel nightmare
Radio glitch strands thousands in Southland
By Lisa Mascaro and Jennifer Radcliffe
Staff Writers
LA Daily News
A radio communication failure Tuesday at the regional air traffic control center in Palmdale grounded airliners in Southern California and disrupted travel across the United States, stranding tens of thousands of travelers and forcing hundreds of planes to be rerouted.
The massive breakdown in the air traffic system occurred at 4:40 p.m. when the Los Angeles Air Route Traffic Control Center in Palmdale, one of 20 centers across the country, lost its primary communications system, cutting off radio contact with about 800 planes in flight. By the time radio communications were restored about 8 p.m., the disruption had caused havoc across much of the country.
Los Angeles International, Burbank, Ontario and airports in Orange County, San Diego and Las Vegas took the brunt of the failure. Flights into the region were held on the ground and those already in flight were being diverted elsewhere, while outbound planes were prohibited from taking off well into the night, authorities said.
By 8 p.m., the Federal Aviation Administration ban was lifted, but the system was only operating at half capacity and wasn't expected to get back to full operations until 3 a.m.
"I don't think in this case safety was ever compromised at all," said FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown. "We safely landed all those planes."
Frustrated passengers at Burbank's Bob Hope Airport stood in long lines trying to make new arrangements.
"I can't get home," said Julie Brekke, who was trying to return to Phoenix after a day of business meetings in Los Angeles. "They can't even guarantee I'll be flying out tomorrow."
Darren Conzo of San Dimas and his wife were expected at an Internal Revenue Service conference in Las Vegas today.
"We're not happy," Conzo said Tuesday night. "We have a rental car just in case. We're weighing our options now."
LAX regularly handles 3,600 flights a day, and reported 400 flights were expected to have been canceled, diverted or delayed.
A spokeswoman for Southwest Airlines, which operates busy terminals at four Southern California airports, said at least 25 inbound flights had been diverted elsewhere. She couldn't say how many outbound flights were canceled.
"It is quite an inconvenience to all of our customers coming in and out of Southern California," said Southwest spokeswoman Whitney Eichinger. "We're doing the best we can."
The shutdown started at 4:40 p.m. when the Federal Aviation Administration reported a failure in the radio system that provides air traffic control for planes coming in and out of the region.
The problem hit all major Southern California airports serviced by the FAA's Los Angeles Air Route Traffic Control Center in Palmdale, which covers a 200-mile radius and includes airports in Los Angeles, Burbank, Ontario, Orange County, San Diego and Las Vegas.
More than 800 flights were headed to Southern California at the time, and many were initially allowed to land as the FAA relied on other regional centers, including one in Albuquerque, to guide planes.
But eventually all flights into the region were being diverted and new flights into Southern California were grounded.
"Any plane destined for L.A. from someplace else, you're not going to be able to leave the ground," said FAA spokeswoman Brown.
The FAA could not readily identify the problem.
The center in Palmdale is supposed to provide radio communication to the planes as they enter or leave the region, before and after they talk with the airport towers.
"We know that the radio system didn't work, and the back-up system didn't work," said the FAA's Brown. "And that's unusual, because most of our systems have back-up systems that kick into place usually."
The Palmdale center has had problems in the past. In October 2000, new radar software failed, causing a similar shutdown of air travel that stranded passengers for hours. Another glitch caused the radio system to go out in 1997, though no flights were delayed at that time.
Brown said there was no safety threat in Tuesday's outage. Still, travelers felt the brunt of the problem.
At LAX, the Backlot Deli and Bar's Viviana Gomez reported a steady flow of customers as flights were halted.
Ontario Airport reported dozens of delayed flights.
In Burbank, stranded passengers gathered at the airport bar, read magazines and lounged using their bags as pillows.
One man played a game of solitaire on his laptop computer while others simply gave up.
Spokesman Victor Gill said by early evening traffic was backing up at the Burbank airport.
"It's kind of like commuter hours, you do it in the morning, then in the evening," he said. "It'll upset things. It'll upset the flow of traffic."
One frustrated passenger said when the flights stopped, waiting travelers were unnerved.
"The terminal kind of panicked a little. Nobody knew what's going on," said Clyde Fuchino of Sacramento. "We still don't know what's going on."
The past tense of grind is "ground," not "grounded."
"By the time radio communications were restored about 8 p.m"
Hmm.
I read another article, which mentioned that flights have started to fly at 8 pm, but the problem wasn't fixed.
I hope they really fixed it.
But it's still very odd, how something like this, with all the redundancies and backups, could fail.
Not a word about the cause, though.
I am sure it will come out. KNX1070 had the union boss of the Palmdale Center, and he flat out said they lost six planes for a while, and it was totally dangerous.
For a second I thought he meant six crashed...and so did KNX...but then he kept ripping on the FAA and management and they cut him off. I am sure we will hear the cause shortly...maybe from some technical web sites.
Laurie Dhue could "ground" most of Fox's male audience if she wanted to -- any day!
They said that they could see the planes on radar, but couldn't communicate with them.
Then eventually I guess the pilots figured it out and got onto different frequencies and communicated with other centers.
I think it was much more dangerous, than they are letting us believe. They didn't want people to panic.
By the grace of God that nothing disastrous happened.
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