American Handwriting Analysis Foundation(Marcel Matley a librarian??)

Anyway, here was this TV story on Foster coincidentally appearing at the same time I was giving my own talk. Fortunately, a few years ago my wife and I had bought a VCR out of self-defense, because people kept lending us snippets of things on tape that they wanted us to watch, so I was able to record the segment and view it later. (We bought a VCR will full-bandwidth stereo sound, so we could archive some of the many classical music concerts we record for radio broadcast.)

After a brief synopsis of Foster's death, the "Unsolved Mysteries" segment entirely focused its attention on the so-called "suicide" note. A short clip was shown of the October 25, 1995 Strategic Investment press conference at which graphologists Reginald Alton, Ronald Rice and Vincent Scalice delivered their opinions that the note is a forgery. Narrator Robert Stack then said "Unsolved Mysteries" had assembled the experts in Boston, where they explained their reasoning on enlarged and color-highlighted versions of the handwriting samples.

Ronald Rice was identified as "a handwriting expert who has worked for the state of Massachusetts"; Reginald Alton as "of Oxford University in England" without further reference to Alton's world-class credentials; and Vincent Scalice as a "retired homicide examiner", "certified document examiner" and "forensic handwriting examiner". Also present was Anthony Iantosca, identified as a "forensic handwriting examiner" (who was not at the October 25, 1995 press conference).

Rice stated that he had spent more than 40 hours examining the documents, and he elaborated on differences between forged and genuine letters, particularly the "B" in the phrase "The FBI lied" from the note, the same example I used in my talk. Rice said the forger had written the B in four strokes (Alton had said "at least three" at the press conference), while Foster wrote his capital Bs with a single stroke.

Alton pointed out the difficulty the forger had emulating Foster's elegant style of handwriting; but perhaps the most convincing evidence was from Iantosca, who pointed out the "hesitation dots" in the note, where the forger's pen had started and stopped. The inordinate number of these dots indicates the note was painstakingly copied, according to Iantosca, who illustrated his point with the four dots in the capital letter "N" from the phrase "No one".

Scalice pointed out the differences in "th" letter combinations in the note and genuine handwriting samples, and clearly stated that Foster's handwriting would not change under stress, except maybe to be "sloppier".

Then the program turned to Marcel Matley, identified as a "handwriting examiner" with no further credentials given, who offered his opinion that the "suicide" note is genuine. Matley believes that the "deteriorated copy" of the note.... that is, it's been copied over too many times.... and the "stress" Foster was presumably under account for the differences in handwriting. He then went on to show how Foster used different styles of letters in the genuine samples, such as both cursive and block letter "s", for example, and how the same multiple styles appear in the note; and from this he concluded that the same person wrote both the note and the samples known to be genuine.

One problem with Matley's statements is that it is impossible to determine to what extent the copy of the "suicide" note used by the experts has deteriorated from the original.... because the government has yet to release any official copy of the original, much less a high-resolution one. I just don't see how Matley can point out examples of "deterioration" in copies of the note without having seen the original note.

Matley is exactly right in pointing out the multiple letter styles used by Foster; I can vouch for these, as I have picked off images of the documents from the Internet, printed them out and examined them, and I am familiar with them. But for me, these variations are an argument in favor of the forgery; for if the letters in the note were painstakingly copied as the other experts suggest, one would expect the forger to also copy the letter variations in an effort to lend an air of authenticity to the forged note. Matley did not refute any of the major points made by the other experts, notably the number of strokes making up the letters, and the "hesitation dots", in the note.

I suspect Matley was put on the show so its producers would not be accused of being biased on a highly-charged political issue, and so they wouldn't wind up on the Clintons' sh*t list. At any rate, it shouldn't take too long for those intrepid Internet sleuths who follow every twist and turn of the Foster story to ferret out Matley's credentials and to find out how much he was paid to appear on the program.

That is a part of the link on post 11

Wow, Matley was brought in as a pro-Clinton shill during the Vincent Foster cover-up! That's most interesting!

Yes, and I just heard Bill Maher impugn our intelligence too. We're just stoopid and don't understand that the primordial alphabet soup from which this sprang sees all and knows all. Get down on you knees and worship at the altar of CBS and admit that they know all.

Then the program turned to Marcel Matley, identified as a "handwriting examiner" with no further credentials given, who offered his opinion that the "suicide" note is genuine. Matley believes that the "deteriorated copy" of the note.... that is, it's been copied over too many times.... and the "stress" Foster was presumably under account for the differences in handwriting. He then went on to show how Foster used different styles of letters in the genuine samples, such as both cursive and block letter "s", for example, and how the same multiple styles appear in the note; and from this he concluded that the same person wrote both the note and the samples known to be genuine.

One problem with Matley's statements is that it is impossible to determine to what extent the copy of the "suicide" note used by the experts has deteriorated from the original.... because the government has yet to release any official copy of the original, much less a high-resolution one. I just don't see how Matley can point out examples of "deterioration" in copies of the note without having seen the original note.

Matley is exactly right in pointing out the multiple letter styles used by Foster; I can vouch for these, as I have picked off images of the documents from the Internet, printed them out and examined them, and I am familiar with them. But for me, these variations are an argument in favor of the forgery; for if the letters in the note were painstakingly copied as the other experts suggest, one would expect the forger to also copy the letter variations in an effort to lend an air of authenticity to the forged note. Matley did not refute any of the major points made by the other experts, notably the number of strokes making up the letters, and the "hesitation dots", in the note.

I suspect Matley was put on the show so its producers would not be accused of being biased on a highly-charged political issue, and so they wouldn't wind up on the Clintons' sh*t list. At any rate, it shouldn't take too long for those intrepid Internet sleuths who follow every twist and turn of the Foster story to ferret out Matley's credentials and to find out how much he was paid to appear on the program.

Gee they look a lot alike to me TROLL< away with you, calling all troll hunters!!!!!!

Well then....look at the word "interference"....

See how the e is KERNED under the f

Case closed ...was done electronically.

That is .....a forgery

I work with typefaces everyday but that doesn't make me an expert on the history of font usage.

Was superscript available at the time? What about the questions about the way the dates are formatted? And, why didn't CBS seek a second expert opinion? Why is Terry McAuliffe denying the DNC had anything to do with notes? If the notes are the mastermind of Rove why is Rather protecting his source?

So many questions. More will be revealed.

Now THIS little tidbit needs to get into the right hands also! Not an expert???? Just a librarian?

Not an expert, hut he played one on Unsolved Mysteries

Marcel Matley
Marcel Matley studied handwriting analysis with Rose Toomey and was certified by the Paul de Ste. Colombe Center. In 1985 he became a full time professional document examiner and has other interests in medical and psychological research, paleography, education, Western formal penmanship and Oriental calligraphy. He is the author of several published monographs and articles, taught private classes and seminars, and presented at conferences. The American Handwriting Analysts Foundation’s library, as well as a collection of more than 4,000 forensics and handwriting articles, is located in his home in San Francisco where it is available for reference by appointment.

Found at: http://www.aspghandwriting.org/Matley.htm

I don't think this guy knows butkis about typefaces, kerning, typewriters, spacing, etc. etc.

In away this is fortunate as it is enabling the DNC and CBS to dig the hole deeper.

The key, however, is what if anything are "we" going to do to make Rather toast. I don't trust the MSM to do it.

See also:

Handwriting Services of California

CURRICULUM VITAE AND GENERAL RESUME
MARCEL B. MATLEY
DOCUMENT EXAMINER AND HANDWRITING EXPERT
BORN: Phoenix, AZ, September 21, 1933
SERVICES OFFERED:

Handwriting authentication and signature verification.
Identification of the maker of handwritten numerals
Genuineness of logs, diaries, and other writings in series.
Serve as either confidential consultant or testifying expert.
Oral or written opinion, which can be a full, illustrated, written report to facilitate settlement or in the form of a declaration under oath.
Question formulation to examine opponent's document examiner; also pertinent citations for cross-examination from learned treatises.
Identification of the writer of poison pen letters and anonymous writings.
Other aspects of questioned document examination.
Impeachment of erroneous, incomplete or incompetent expert handwriting opinion.
CREDENTIALS:

Certification with commendation, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, January 28, 1981
Awarded Charter Membership Certificate for professional excellence, Paul de Sainte Colombe Center, April 8, 1982.
Consultant and mentor to other document examiners.
Honorary membership, National Questioned Document Association, March 1992.
Consulted by Texas Education Agency, Proprietary Schools Div. and other agencies.
San Francisco Tax Registration Certificate. Expiration date: 12-31-95
Activity Approval, Committee on Minimum Continuing Legal Education, The State Bar of California, March 27, 1995
EXPERT WITNESS:

Accepted in Federal Bankruptcy Court and Superior, Municipal Courts, and Administrative Law Courts of California.
Testimony in arbitration hearings and in depositions.
Complete listing of testimonies available upon request.
CLASSES AND LECTURES:

Private classes have been offered since 1981.
Lecture series titles SEMINARS AND WORKSHOPS IN HANDWRITING SCIENCES, for professionals and advanced students.
Organizer, co-producer and instructor at three annual SEMINARS IN DOCUMENT EXAMINATION, in San Francisco. Attendees came from across U.S. and Canada.
Presenter at NADE Conferences and Pre-conferences: 1992: HUMAN GRAPHIC MOTOR SEQUENCE. 1993, two-day intensive course: THE PHYSIOLOGY AND FORENSIC IDENTIFICATION OF HANDWRITING. 1994: ANSWERING CHALLENGES OF VOIR DIRE.
Presenter of Workshop, QUALIFICATIONS IMPEACHMENT, ABFE 1993 Conference.
1995 IGS-AFDE Joint Conference: A PROTOCOL FOR RESEARCH IN DISGUISED HANDWRITING AS ILLUSTRATED BY SLANT.
1995 AHAF Symposium: THE PHYSIOLOGY OF HANDWRITING, A HALF-DAY WORKSHOP.
LISTINGS:

FORENSIC REGISTER OF EXPERT CONSULTANTS, Bar Association of San Francisco.
Directories: INTERNATIONAL DIRECTORY OF HANDWRITING ANALYSTS; WHO'S WHO IN GRAPHOLOGY; and HANDWRITING ANALYSIS REGISTRY.
PUBLICATIONS:

STUDIES IN QUESTIONED DOCUMENTS. 1. "Photocopies in Document Examination." 2. "Exorcism of Ignorance; a Reply from a Holographic Expert." 3. "Logged Entries: Made Separately or Sequentially?" 4. "Exemplars for (XXX)." 5. "Health and Handwriting, an Annotated Bibliography." 6. "The Employing and Examining of the Expert." 7. "Reliability Testing of Expert Handwriting Opinions." 8. "Signature Disguise by Change of Slant."
FORGERY: DETECTION AND DEFENSE: A GUIDEBOOK FOR THE LEGAL PROFESSIONAL, 1988.
QDE INDEX: PERIODICAL ARTICLES IN ENGLISH ON DOCUMENT EXAMINATION, HANDWRITING EXPERTISE AND EXPERT TESTIMONY.
Also published in: AHAF JOURNAL; JOURNAL OF THE NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF DOCUMENT EXAMINERS; COMMUNIQUE, THE DOCUMENT EXAMINER'S NEWSLETTER; CALIFORNIA PARALEGAL MAGAZINE; AT ISSUE (San Francisco Association of Legal Assistants); WRITE EXTENSION; AHAA DIALOGUE: JOURNAL OF FORENSIC IDENTIFICATION; NATIONAL PARALEGAL MAGAZINE (Scheduled); VANGUARD; THE NATIONAL DOCUMENT EXAMINER; SAN FRANCISCO ATTORNEY; SCIENTIFIC SLEUTHING REVIEW.
Other writings in the field, published and unpublished. The published books and monographs have been marketed to professionals nationally and internationally.
Published works in other fields.
EDUCATION:

Saint Francis College, El Cajon, CA 1952-54. Liberal arts, Science.
Immaculate Heart Seminary, University of San Diego, San Diego, CA 1954-60. Courses included Philosophy, Logic, Rational Psychology, History, Rhetoric.
Immaculate Heart College, Los Angeles, CA. MALS, June 1963
San Diego State College, San Diego, CA, 1962-63. l Graduate studies, Political Science.
1979-80 Privately instructed by Rose Toomey, author of HEALTH CLUES IN HANDWRITING.
Seminar on the handwriting of criminals, conducted by Ted Widmer of San Francisco.
1991 and 1992 National Conference of NADE, and other seminars and conferences.
On-going research in the legal, forensic and academic literature.
Primary research in methods of disguise, writing with the opposite hand, and others.
SPECIAL RESOURCES:

Personal collection of more than 1500 books, monographs and papers in handwriting science and document examination, along with current subscriptions..
Developed a computerized data base of approximately 4500 articles in forensic and legal periodicals. This is an on-going research project, covering 1870s to date.
Memberships in NADE and AHAF bring access to extensive lending libraries of professional literature.
Microphotography and optical filters.
Optics such as stereoscopic microscope and other tools for close, accurate observation and measurement of questioned handwriting documents.
Specialized equipment such as Kinderprint Indentation Materializer.
Association with professionals having specialized skill and equipment so that unique or unusual requests can be referred to highly qualified colleagues.
MEMBERSHIPS:

National Association of Document Examiners (NADE). Chairman of 1993 Conference in San Francisco. Committee memberships: Editorial committee for the Association's Journal.
American Handwriting Analysis Foundation (AHAF), an international organization based in San Jose, CA. Foundation Librarian and member of the Board.
Borrowing member of American Association of Handwriting Analysis Research Library, Downers Grove, IL.
International Graphonomics Society, Society for the Science and Technology of Handwriting, headquartered at University of Nijmegen, The Netherlands.
Vidocq Society, Philadelphia, PA.
The American Society for Testing and Material. Committee E30 of Forensic Sciences.
Participant, Crime Laboratory Proficiency Testing program of the American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors, Inc.
REFERENCES:

Professional references will be made available upon request.

(09-06-95)
Found at: http://nick.assumption.edu/WebVAX/Foster/matley.html

"Handwriting analysis for personality evaluation?"

Bwaaahahahahahahahahaha!

Let me check these entrails real quick to find out if handwriting analysis is for real.

Has anyone been able to find his credentials. They should be readily available to the press or any investigative person. Maybe another freeper can meet this challenge too.

This just keeps on getting better and better! ROTFLMAOPIMP

bttt

The question is whether this is the person who did the evaluation. He is 70 years old. I didn't see the Rather show, but I heard it on the radio. That Marcel sounded younger than 70. Perhaps it was his son.