Chechen leaders’ relatives say stop terrorism, punish massacre perpetrators

AsiaNews.it ^ | September 7, 2004 | Staff

[Luis Gonzalez]

Moscow (AsiaNews) – Events in Beslan have had an unusual and unexpected impact in Chechnya. The local population, which had largely backed the actions by Chechen terrorists, seems to have turned against them. Separatists’ families, including those of anti-Russian resistance leaders such as Maskhadov, Basayev, Umarov –who are thought to have orchestrated the Beslan attack– have publicly condemned the actions of their relatives.

Pamzan and Ruslan Maskhadov, cousins of former Chechen President Aslan Maskhadov called on him to end terrorism. “Today, life is back to normal in the Chechen Republic. It is possible to work and receive a salary,” the two brothers said. “Consequently, the reasons for terror are neither present nor justified.” They urged Mashkadov to put an end to his actions once and for all and stop the gangs “who have killed hundreds of innocent children.” They also asked Ossetians for forgiveness.

Zholzan Abdulkadyrova, Aslan Maskhadov’s sister, appealed to her brother telling him to stop the crimes against helpless people. In the early phase of the Beslan crisis, Ms Abdulkadyrova had offered herself as a hostage in place of the children held. “Chechens,” she said, “do not want to be the enemies either of Ossetians, Ingushs or Russians.”

Junus Kurazov, deputy mufti in Chechnya’s Vedensky district and husband to Shamil Basayev’s cousin, expressed his solidarity with the people of North Ossetia. “These child-killing gangsters are terrorists and should be punished. These people will never receive forgiveness for their sins; only Almighty Allah might do it.” He added that “terrorism has no national or ethnic colour. Whoever they are, no matter their nationality, ethnicity or religion, they should be punished.”

In his Vedensky mosque, mufti Kurazov led Friday prayers for the murdered children and the people of Ossetia. “Ossetians have always helped Chechens, and in these heavy days, Chechens must pray and support them,” Kurazov said.

Umar Gudaev, Basayev’s father-in-law, and Nasir Sideev, husband to Basayev’s aunt, joined Kurazov in expressing their outrage. “The terrorists have crossed the point of no return into the world of cruelty and brutality. They have used weapons against defenceless children and women,” they said.

Relatives of Doku Umarov, another Chechen leader suspected of involvement in the Beslan attack, have also condemned the terrorist actions.

Despite the genuine revulsion on the part of terrorists’ relatives anger and resentment have boiled over and led some Chechens to prepare reprisal attacks against rebel leaders’ relatives. “Their lives were in danger,” said Ilya Shabalkin, official representative of the Russian federal counterterrorist services (FSB), “and we had evidence that ‘spontaneous groups’ were being formed in various areas of Chechnya to kill Chechen leaders” relatives. However, because of our preventive actions we were able to take them into protective custody and save them from retaliation,” the FSB general said.

The death of the innocent has provoked sorrow and angst throughout Chechnya. Many Chechens have joined the chorus of voices condemning the Beslan attack. Several demonstrations have taken place in the republic to denounce the terrorists and condemn the massacre. One demonstrator was quoted as saying: “As Chechens we can relate to what happened in Beslan. And we are ready to help the people hurt by the terrorists.” (AF)

[American in Israel]

Watch it that kind of talk will get in trouble with the nuke Mecca crowd.

Better to stand with the Nuke Mecca crowd, than to stand with the Nuke America horde. You pick your stand, I will pick mine.

[American in Israel]

Why are these more valid than the ones I posted?

Because what I posted was the actions of Islam, and the sayings and direction of the Prophet Himself. Your posting was generic sayings, the sugar coating on the poison pill. I judge people by what they do, not what they say. Everybody protests innocent on death row, but the victims are still dead. If you trust a man that says "I always lie, and I will never hurt you", you are a fool.

(note)...So we can do two things 1 Give support too those who are trying to reform Islam. 2 Open the consecration camps and start dropping nukes.

On the first choice, finding those who are trying to reform Islam in Arabic, is like trying to collect hens teeth. While if you ever find one, I and you both may support him, I am more worried about the 1.3 Billion people who decided to join a religion that teaches to murder and torture people is an act of God.

By all means support reformers, but don't bet your life on it.

I guess I will have to choose number two. I am guessing you meant internment camps. I recall that tactic was used in World War II, a war we won. Also the dropping of nukes was used, in fact it is why we won the war. Winning the war is better than dying anyday.

We did not start this war, I pray we finish it. Sucks to be them.

Now as for your scriptures:

Heb.12:29] Our God is destroying fire.

You forgot to include the line above it:

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we *may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.
29 For our God is a consuming fire.

The context is that God is saying He is going to shake both heaven and earth, and that HE will destroy the unjust. What is being demanded is that God should be served with respect, for He is just. I find your choice of this scripture good, as it clearly shows the Believers in God are called to serve him, for it is God's Job to destroy the profane on earth, not mans. That clearly shows the difference between Islam and Christianity. Islams God begs his followers to do His killing for him.

[Psalm.94:1] O Lord, you God of vengeance.

Strange verison of a Bible you have there, not a single one out of dozen that I checked says what you claim. Let me post from the New King James Version what that Psalm really says:

PSALM 94
God the Refuge of the Righteous
O Lord God, to whom vengeance belongs-- O God, to whom vengeance belongs, shine forth!

Again, you choose a scripture that Shows the Difference between Islam and Christianity. Here it clearly says that the Vengeance belongs to God, NOT man, where Muhammad claimed that vengeance was commanded by God for MAN!

You really should read this Psalm, it speaks about how God will destroy Islam and others like it in the end.

[Job.7:21]Why do not you pardon my transgression and take away my iniquity?

I am not sure why you threw this one in. A Freudian slip perhaps?

[Ezek.11:8] God said, "You have feared the sword, the sword I will bring upon you."

I see you are a master of picking scriptures that bring prove my case. This is a scripture that is the pronouncement of punishment by God against Men who have taken to killing people. Let me print a bit of the story to both sides of your cut and paste.

6 You have multiplied your slain in this city, and you have filled its streets with the slain."
7 Therefore thus says the Lord God: "Your slain whom you have laid in its midst, they are the meat, and this city is the caldron; but I shall bring you out of the midst of it.
8 You have feared the sword; and I will bring a sword upon you," says the Lord God.
9 "And I will bring you out of its midst, and deliver you into the hands of strangers, and execute judgments on you.
10 You shall fall by the sword. I will judge you at the border of Israel. Then you shall know that I am the Lord.

Interesting that once again you have chosen a scripture that is an example of what God is going to do to killers, not what God is doing against the helpless. In this case, Jews that did not believe He was God. God would not defile the city as the killers have done, He stated as a sign to them that he will drive them from the city and deliver them into the hands of their enemies to be slain outside the gates.

Instead of God being a harsh attacking guy as you claimed by your post, we find God is once again delivering Justice to killers to clean them out. You really should try reading the Bible sometime, you have a strange idea of what it contains.

Lets see, three out of four things you chose to accuse God of being unjust, were actually about His Justice, you also chose to show God as vengeful, but they were about God taking vengeance against Killers, not innocents. The fourth thing was about Job confessing his sin and had nothing to do with the subject.

So far you have disproved your case very well. This is getting fun. Let us see just what else you have done to yourself here!

[Amos.9:1] I will slay that left of them with the sword, not one of them shall flee away...I will command the sword, and it shall slay them.

Wow, you picked a Doozy here! ROTFLMAO!!! Who was God talking to here? Let me print out the line right before your cut and paste: Amos 8:14 Those who swear by the *sin of Samaria, Who say,'As your god lives, O Dan!' And, 'As the way of Beersheba lives! 'They shall fall and never rise again."

What was the sin of the Tribe of Dan? They turned to worshiping the Gods of the Canaanites. THE MOON GOD and Ba'al worship. The sign of the Canaanite moon god was the crescent moon on its back, the precise symbol found where today? ON TOP OF EVERY MOSQUE!!! ROFL! And Ba'al? What did he command from his worshipers? The same thing he commands today, the fiery sacrifice of a followers own child. The same thing the Palestinians do to please Allah today, they kill their own children by the fire of explosives.

Man you are choosing some real strange scriptures to prove your case, Other than the one I ignored as it is so far out of context that I cannot understand it, you are Batting 1000%, but for the wrong side!

Pray tell, what more have you picked out?

[Jer.49:37] I will send the sword after them,until I have consumed them.

Oh man, you jumped out of the frying pan into the fire with this one. I am afraid it is a bit too complex to explain fully as you "happened" to choose a prophecy of the destruction of Israel's Islamic neighbors for the very crime of the Jihad they have declared and prosecuted.

Justice once again, and in this case against Islam for Jihad!

[Ezek.12:14]I will unsheathe the sword after them. I will let a few of them escape from the sword, from famine and pestilence.

Strange bible there, again I could not find what you posted, Here is a copy of the New King James:

14 I will scatter to every wind all who are around him to help him, and all his troops; and I will draw out the sword after them.
15 "Then they shall know that I am the Lord, when I scatter them among the nations and disperse them throughout the countries.
16 But I will spare a few of their men from the sword, from famine, and from pestilence, that they may declare all their abominations among the Gentiles wherever they go. Then they shall know that I am the Lord."

So what you "quoted" was a cut of three sections down to make it into one. Just for your information, you should use ... as a sign that you have shortened what someone says so that you are not accused of changing what they say to cause deception.

But to help you understand what you have "quoted" from, by all means include the rest of the story:

17 Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
18 "Son of man, eat your bread with quaking, and drink your water with trembling and anxiety.
19 And say to the people of the land, 'Thus says the Lord God to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the land of Israel: "They shall eat their bread with anxiety, and drink their water with dread, so that her land may be emptied of all who are in it, because of the violence of all those who dwell in it.
20 Then the cities that are inhabited shall be laid waste, and the land shall become desolate; and you shall know that I am the Lord."'"

How very appropriate that you choose this one to show how unjust God is in vengeance, when God is again actually punishing men for killing others.

Like a moth to a candle, you have chosen scriptures without fail that show that God is NOT pleased with men that kill others, and that He WILL put a stop to it.
Either there is some incredible coincidences here, or God is actually rightious and you have taken every scripture out of context in an attempt to slander God.
Indeed, every time you are found out, every single reference is about God's justice against the Unjust instead of God saying "slaughter the Infidel" to His followers.

What is interesting about this one, is that the Prince of Jerusalem was so corrupt that he was killing people and leading they away from Gods ways. God had the prophet warn him to desist, but also said to the prophet that the prince would not listen. God knew the princes heart was so corrupt that he would not repent of his murdering ways. But God warned him anyway. The way you printed it "I will unsheathe the sword after them. I will let a few of them escape from the sword, from famine and pestilence." made it sound like the sword, famine and pestilence was from God. The battle that took them into captivity from the invasion of Babylon (or Iraq as it is known today), was allowed by God to stop the corruption, but the plague, sword and pestilence was from the war, not from God. God was saying he would make sure some survived the plague, sword and pestilence, not saying he would kill them with it!

It seems God is not guilty of your accusations. You in fact have proven the opposite by your scripture references.

But you did not stop, you continued on. You felt that Samsons attack against the Philistines crops in a time of war was horrible, but failed to mention how Saudi Arabias attack against America in a time of peace was bad.

In case you did not know it, when an "ally" attacks you it is treachery, and when you fight in war it is honorable.

You then were upset when Samson wiped out a thousand men in a battle during a war, but failed to get upset when a dozen Muslim Terrorists slaughtered a couple of hundred children on the first day of school because, uh, hmmm, why did they kill children? I never quite could figure that out...

Ok, so now you went on to try and try and show that the ancient Hebrews from 3000 BC were as bad as the Muslims from 2000 AD are.

[Josh.1 6:10] So the Canaanites have dwelt in the midst of E'phraim to this day, but become slaves to do forced labour15.

(Darby translation) But they did not dispossess the Canaanites that dwelt at Gezer; and the Canaanites dwell in the midst of Ephraim to this day, and serve under tribute.

You seem to have "forgotten" the first part of the sentence that shows that even when the Hebrews conquered "Palestine" the first time they did not drive out and slaughter the inhabitants like the Muslims do everywhere they go, and are demanding to do in that exact same spot right now! And Tribute was taxes my friend, either by labor or by money, you served the state. Citizens were not taxed as they were "Freemen" in ancient days.

Isn't that funny, Islamics in the year 2000 AD are more backwards than Jews were in 3000 BC, and TO THIS DAY MUSLIMS STILL CHARGE TRIBUTE!

I kinda think your comparison of Islam vs Israel fell a bit flat. You are guilty of what you are accusing others of, and the only instance you could find to accuse them of it was a bit dated, like, around 5000 years old. Get a clue dude, back then in the bronze age they were a couple of steps above cave men, though arguably more civilized than the modern Muslim of today.

Well, at least you are still batting a thousand, (For the "People of the Book")

Ok I have spent three hours on this, looking up each reference, and exposing your fraud. Now it is your turn, I dare you to take the Islamic Scripture's I quoted and find some that were taken out of context and are not commandments for the followers of Islam to slaughter in the name of Allah.

I have shown starting from the top and going as far as I have patience that 100% of your quotes were the opposite of what you claimed them to be.

Show me how the commands to torture in the name of Allah are actually out of context calls by Allah to leave the vengeance to him. Start from the top and work your way down, disproving as you go. You have lied about Christians and Jews by deliberate misquotes, show me where I have lied about Islam if you can. If you cannot, then you have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Islam is a lying death cult, pretending to be a religion and you are just wolf in sheeps burka.

[Luis Gonzalez]

There are many, many parts of the Torah that are just as violent, but somehow they never get equated with the actions undertaken by Israel...Israel is always defending itself; never mind that car bombings and political assassinations in the region date back to the Stern Gang and others. Even then, the actions of Israeli extremists were never equated to their practice of Judaism.

The attacks on the United States were perpetrated by people spilling out of your region, curiously, not by Muslims living here; and I say curiously because it flies at the face of this theory that Muslims are inherently evil because their religion instructs them to be evil; most people fail to observe the vast majority of their religious beliefs, so even if those parsed bits of the Qu'ran everyone keeps quoting as proof positive of the evil nature of the adherents are actually instructions to kill infidels, the vast majority of Muslims pay as much attention to that as we generally pay attention to God's mandate of keeping the seventh day Holy.

Most if not all all terrorist attacks can be traced right back to the region were you live; it grows terrorists who then go out from there to find recruits. In Chechnya, Wahhabi extremism found a new source of foot soldiers in those engaged in a decades, if not centuries, old war against the Russian occupation of the region, and this posses a problem, as it effectively opens a new front in the global war being waged by Wahhabi extremists.

The problem with this front is that I truly believe Russia to be incapable of effectively handling this problem, and if this problem isn't handled, it will spill out throughout the Caucasus, and eventually into Western Europe.

Even if Islam is little more than everything you say, it effectiveness as far as raising these "armies" is questionable. The vast majority of Muslims live outside your region, and yet, the vast majority of terrorists come from your region.

Terrorism is a geopolitical issue, concentrated in a very specific region of the world, and carried out by a very specific number of nations. The goal of those terrorists and the governments who sponsor them, is to elevate their status to something that they are not...legitimate. The plan is to actually create the sort of attitude that most in here have about Islam, and by doing that, present extremism as the accepted voice of Islam.

Thinking people understand that there are far too many hundreds of millions of Muslims who have never participated in an act of terrorism, and who will in fat never participate in one, to believe that the relatively small percentage of extremists in the world are the norm, rather than the exception.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"It's beside the point. It's not about where the majority lives, but whom they follow."

The vast majority do not follow Wahhabism.

"See, as of today, Saudi Arabia Wahhabis decide what is "true" Islam and what isn't."

Tell that to Turkey, or to India, or to China, or to the largest population of Muslims in the world residing in Indonesia. Now, if Western governments give that power to Wahhabism, then those Muslims effectively rejecting Wahhabism will feel marginalized, and perhaps would fall under Wahhabi rule.

" How can good Muslims tolerate evil people ruling them?"

Well...how did Russians allow themselves to be ruled by Communists for nearly a century?

How did Nazis rise to power in Germany?

How has Fidel Castro hung on to power?

It's not that the people are inherently evil, or not good, but rather that the power wielded by these extremistsover them is great.

"When I see all Muslims out on the street, asking for "regime change" in SA, then I'll recognize Islam as a religion."

When I see all Americans out in the streets, asking for Islam to be bannished from the nation, then I will believe that Americans want that to happen.

Hold the standard firm for all involved.

[American in Israel]

There are many, many parts of the Torah that are just as violent, but somehow they never get equated with the actions undertaken by Israel...

Let me requote from the Muslim Holy Books a couple of the parts you are refering to from my previous post for clarity:

This one was Muhammad burning his own followers alive in their houses for being late to church:

Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’”

This was Muhammads rules for questioning captives.

Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”

This is proper wartime conduct according to "the Prophet".

Ishaq:316 “Following Badr, Muhammad sent a number of raiders with orders to capture some of the Meccans and burn them alive.”

For a finale, this is the rules of humane treatment of prisoners according to "Allah".

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Just and merciful indeed! I wanted to get this post in context...

Might I make a suggestion, rather than saying there are many, many parts of the Torah... quote some. Until then you are shooting blanks. But before you go running off to do your homework (yeah,right...) Remember that the Torah is the first five books of the Bible, written around 4000-6000 years ago. One of the reasons your "but somehow they never get equated with the actions undertaken by Israel.." holds little water is because the Torah was written before Israel ever became a nation.

The attacks on the United States were perpetrated by people spilling out of your region, curiously, not by Muslims living here;...

Well, first the attacks were planned and based from Mecca, the "Holy" land of Islam, which by the way is on the other side of the ocean from here on another continent. Not from here at all!

Secondly the Muslims that attacked on 9-11 DID live in America for months, getting their flight training there and running up quite a bar tab in Florida I understand. So you are wrong on both counts. Two flies with one swat and your sentence is not even over yet! By all means continue.

...and I say curiously because it flies at the face of this theory that Muslims are inherently evil because their religion instructs them to be evil; most people fail to observe the vast majority of their religious beliefs, so even if those parsed bits of the Qu'ran everyone keeps quoting as proof positive of the evil nature of the adherents are actually instructions to kill infidels, the vast majority of Muslims pay as much attention to that as we generally pay attention to God's mandate of keeping the seventh day Holy.

So your defense of Muslims is that they are not really evil like their scriptures instruct them to be, because they do not follow their own scriptures? You have got to be kidding me. You have just proved that the a moderate Muslim is a backsliding one, that only "real" Muslims are killers!

--Snippage-

Thinking people understand that there are far too many hundreds of millions of Muslims who have never participated in an act of terrorism, and who will in fat never participate in one, to believe that the relatively small percentage of extremists in the world are the norm, rather than the exception.

Thinking people understand that the vast majority of Germans did not don Nazi Uniforms and march across Europe, but we killed a vast amount of them anyway. The "Vast Majority" always pays the price for the leadership of the movement, and I figure the reason that the Vast Majority of Islamics will never kill anyone is because after the Nuclear War is triggered by these madmen the vast majority of Islam will be dead.

Use your thinker man, these Wahabbists are going to get their hands on a nuke some day, even if Iran, Syria, and the other wackos do not, and when they pop it all Hell is going to break loose. It is pretty stupid for an Empire that cannot even build jet planes to declare war on the nation that sent men to the moon decades ago, and then slaughter their innocents until that war gets pressed home.

To reiterate, The Torah was written by Moses, who died before the Jews ever even set foot in the land of Israel,
The teachings of the Bible do NOT teach people to torture captives, but to treat others as you would be treated yourself,
The God of the Bible did not command his followers to commit terrorism like Allah did in the above quote, but to love your enemies.
If a person chooses to follow a creed that is evil of his own free will, he has clearly chosen the path of evil,
and the vast majority of Muslims will be destroyed by the war they are starting and pressing home world wide before they even get the opportunity to murder as a path to paradise!

[Luis Gonzalez]

"The God of the Bible did not command his followers to commit terrorism like Allah did in the above quote, but to love your enemies."

There are two books to the Bible, do you acknowledge them both?

[MarMema]

It is possible to work and receive a salary,” the two brothers said. “Consequently, the reasons for terror are neither present nor justified.

Wow I feel better.

Though one could infer that jobs lost = kill more children.

I do love the chechen logic and brilliance. Not sure if complexity eludes them naturally or they just have lousy schools.

[MarMema]

Waste 'em. Waste the Chechnyan Jihadist clans.

I'm with you.

They had over 2 years of independence and chose to use it with warlord rule, massive kidnappings and mutilations, and unprotested human slave trade markets.

This attempt to pretend they have suddenly gained some measure of civility is nothing more than wetting their pants.

Putin, take them out.

[MarMema]

Putin, level the country.

Do it today in honor of our lost.

My husband and children will be in front of the Russian embassy today with signs, handing out free bottled water, in memory of those who were forced to drink their own urine by scum masquerading as humans.

One sign says "THEY SHOOT CHILDREN"

Another sign says "WATER FOR CHILDREN, EXTRADITION FOR CHECHEN TERRORISTS"

Another signs says "OUTHOUSES, SPIDERHOLES....GO PUTIN, GO BUSH."

I hope we make the news, and I think there is a fair chance we will.

[MarMema]

I am willing to translate and save you the trouble...

Psst, say something, quick, before the bombs come.

[MarMema]

And we are ready to help the people hurt by the terrorists

Oh that'll be the day. Be sure to take your camera.

[Nov3]

That makes everything alright. Let's just look past what happened.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Putin, level the country."

Child killer.

[Nov3]

So, a moderate Muslim is like a Mormon who doesn;t follow Smith.

Lay off it buddy. There are a lot of Mormon freepers here. Now if you want to attack Illbay directly that won't bother me.

BTW I am Catholic. Does that make me as bad as the Muslims terrorists too?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Putin, level the country."

What would one expect from a country that legally sanctions the murder of a million unborn children a year in the name of "choice", other than to call for the murder of more children to avenge the murder of some children?

Go back to standing on a street corner demanding genocide, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Secondly the Muslims that attacked on 9-11 DID live in America for months"

I detest disingenuous people. They came here to attack, and they were NEVER considered American Muslims.

Go back to hating, I'm sure you'll find Biblical justification for that as well.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Though one could infer that jobs lost = kill more children."

Reproductive rights=kill unborn children...but we're the good guys.

The sheer hypocrisy is sometimes overwhelming.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Thirty nine million abortions took place in the US between 1973 and 2000.

Should we also call for this country to be leveled from the Earth?

[spodefly]

Thirty relatives of (chechen) Maskhadov taken away in unknown direction
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1207700/posts

Thirty relatives of leader of Chechen separatists Aslan Maskhadov have been taken away on Thursday in the uknown direction by masked men who came on APSc - said On Saturday Akhmed Zakayev to Ekho Moskvy radio station.

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Russia warns of strikes on terror camps, posts bounty for Chechen leaders
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210155/posts

Russia warned it could launch preemptive strikes on terror bases anywhere in the world and put a bounty on two top Chechen rebels after the broadcast of a chilling video of the school hostage siege.

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Russia held Chechen families: Rebels' relatives seized as they slept
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1209129/posts

It was 6 a.m. when Russian soldiers hoisted themselves over the wall, crashed through the window, and broke down the front door......Altogether, an estimated 40 family members of senior Chechen rebel leaders were assembled at Khankala from Thursday, a day after the hostage seizure in Beslan, until Saturday, the day after it ended.

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Oh, but I am sure the rationale for the families of Chechen leaders speaking out against the shooting of schoolchildren is totally because of the wonderful love and compassion inherent in the Muslim faith, as evidenced every single day around the world, and not becaue someone is finally putting a knife to their throats.

The Muslim shills on this site make me sick.

[dennisw]

It's rough but that's the way it's gotta be and that's how you defeat the Jihadists.